World: r3wp

Something weird corrupted my AltME login to this world. I had to 
delete the file "state" and let AltMe recreate it. This happened 
right after the new AltME update. 

Before I deleted it, it was logging me in but keeps giving me an 
internal error about state path being none while I am already logged 
in. I sent the error to feedsback 3 times.
Deleting the "state" file fixed it for me.

Brock - the only one thing is needed to those experienced - one field 
for manual port assignation. If you are admin, you have to know what 
the port means anyway, as you have DST nat connection on your router 
....

Yes, I agree that is needed.  I'd also like to see a way to re-assign 
a world name after it is dropped and no longer 'reserved' or associated 
to my IP, but don't know if this is possible, since it seems to have 
lost my IP... maybe this is an ISP thing when IS recycles IPs since 
I have a Dynamic IP... probably the answer.

I think, that AltME would greatly benefit from DevBase model. DevBase 
is live demostration of community collaborative work. If AltME client 
(not necessarily server) sources would be uploaded, we could see 
good bunch of small refinements, fixed proxy, etc.

Is it possible to change associations? For example if I don't want 
Altme to use Notepad?

I think it is built-in. I have not found it exposed in any config 
....

Ingo <I'm not talking about these 3 lines for this exact problem, 
but about understanding enough to find the same info for another 
post>

Apologies for delay in replying.
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The URL for the web archive has this parameter for the post in question:
    post=r3wp157x10054
And the two lines of code are:

   core-chat: reduce load/all %157.set
   text: last core-chat/10055

As you can see, the GROUP-ID is 157

and the POST-ID is 10054 -- but add 1 for the REBOL code as the file 
has a header line.
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To get the GROUP-ID either RIGHT-CLICK the group name in ALTME.
Or find the group name in the Web archive:

  http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/aga-groups-index.r?world=r3wp
  
Does that demystify it?
As Reichart implies -- it's easy when you know how :-)

What exactly can cause "AltME Error: Registray cannot load dataset 
files: 2" during startup? I'm getting it so many times on various 
machines, I'm starting to think it's a bug in AltME rather than data 
file corruption by something else. Whenever it happens when I'm trying 
to log into a specific world, it's "jinxed" and I can't log into 
it anymore on that machine. It does not help to just delete the whole 
dir, redownload AltME and start from scratch.

it seems also to happen mostly when changing world from one to the 
other. I haven't been able to run multiple AltMEs on one machine 
for a long time.

it's mainly a problem on OSX Leopard, but I see it elsewhere too.

Can you trap the registry accesses ?

Ah... sorry, it's AltME's registry, not Windows'

Maybe it's a permissions problem ?

I was wondering that. However I don't know what could be permission 
denied, if I simply delete the entire AltME dir and reinstall it 
from scratch and the problem still persists.

found it. it's a WHAT-DIR issue.

Anyone ever seen a "Too Many Recent Servers" error when attempting 
to start a world? And is the limit 5 or 3 worlds running on a single 
PC?

Altme has always struggled to show me the latest messages in some 
groups...That's the reason why some people have used "." a lot to 
force a group-specific resync.

I've just noticed some red groups that have updated themselves for 
post in March this year and December last year.

I guess that's good that they arrived without further prodding from 
me.

But apologies if you're still awaiting some replies from me: I may 
never have seen yiur post.

I havne't seen it, but I recall the available server ports on one 
machine to be 5400 and believe it to only go to 5405, but could be 
wrong.

Brock, yes that's what I thought.  I'm wondering if the problem is 
that I requested "Too many Servers" from the Altme world-creator 
itself. I'm talking about starting worlds that I have consistently 
used for years and one more (to make four) that is new.

You've given me another thought though, maybe my own machine is causing 
this to happen(?) At this point I can only run two of the three existing 
worlds and never the newest one. Hmmm.

Make sure all worlds are open when you create a new one, otherwise 
it won't use a new port number.  It always goes to port 5400 if it's 
not already serving another world.

Brock, do you know if the port is stored with the lookup server? 
That is, once created, will that world always serve on the alternate 
port, even if it's the only world running?

yes, the port is stored with the lookup server

It is also placed in your config files on local machine - however, 
no matter how you try, if you registered new world without old ones 
running, altme registers it to existing port and then you will face 
strange situation, when your client is choosing to new world, but 
is connected to another one ...

Pekr is correct from my experience.

Thanks guys! That's very helpful information.

Yeah, it is. That's probably why it doesn't work. And worse, now 
one of my old worlds can't be started. I guess I'll have to wait 
until the others die.

hi everybody ... i met some problems with altme : problems with a 
dataset file

anybody got the same annoyment ?

I've seen various annoyances. 
Can you describe yours in more detail?

I think I found the trick to serving multiple worlds, even if they 
weren't set up correctly at first. In the info file in %altme/servers/<your-world>/, 
change 5400 to, e.g., 5401. When you start the world again, it seems 
to use that port. I haven't tried it with a shortcut start yet.

I believe the file is config.txt in Windows.  There is a server-port 
option.

sorry... host-addr.   Good find Gregg.

Let me start over... host-port is what Gregg is talking about.  There 
is also a host-addr setting that might be the source of my worlds 
becoming unavailable all of a sudden even though they are used on 
 a daily basis.  I'll have to check that out next time my world locks 
me out.

Thanks. I waited a couple of days an now it is fine (4 worlds running). 
Since I didn't do anything on my side I'm wondering if the Altme 
server has something to do with it. Who knows? I'm just glad it works 
now : )

Does copy and paste not work on AltME running under Linux?

It works in the input box, but as far as I can tell, nowhere else. 
 So we can't copy/paste code that somene else posted

Double-clicking on a link doesn't open a webapge in your browser 
either....and you can't even copy the URL to paste it in the browser.

I suspect that quite a few of the AltME Linux users run the Windows 
version using WINE

Hummm. I'll try it under wine to see how it works out.  Thanks.

yes, wine.

Command: wine altme.exe -w rebol3

Some observations for Reichart on making ALTME more viral.

1.  Host all worlds for free but unsecured.
2.  Tier packages
3.  Enable one click access from external sites to ALTME worlds
4.  Ads Tier


1)  Regarding #1 - I think if you host all ALTME worlds for free 
that people will sign up quickly.  What would drive someone to fork 
over the cash is going to be traffic.  I can bet that once someone 
starts getting traffic to their world and generating content they 
are going to want to keep it.  ALTME owns the content of the worlds 
until someone secures it with payment for the hosting account.  (Major 
incentive that rewards growth).


2) Make product tiers that  target hosting accounts towards gaining 
income and visibility for their hosted safeworlds.


3) Think of going to a website and it says something like JOIN the 
DISCUSSION and then says click here and has a small ALTME logo that 
launches you into ALTME and then takes you directly to the particular 
safeworld.  and if someone doesn't it have it - it takes you to ALTME 
download link.  Almost all other messaging mediums have this capability.


4) This is an excellent idea to compliment number 2.  One tier that 
can be offers for additional costs would allow ADVERTISEMENTS within 
the safeworld framework.  For example, consider many online forums 
generate revunue from Google Adsense by placement of ads in their 
content.  ALTME could offer this type of capability as well.  This 
is really an area where I think that REBOL can get great exposure. 
 If advertisements are required to be put forward in REBOL code this 
means that Google would have to have REBOL programmers develop delivery 
content to interface with ALTME.  I have no doubt in my mind that 
they would do it.  ALTME can boast that it has www.rebol.com as a 
marketing partner and REBOL.com according to marketleap.com is a 
"contender" class website showing that ALTME can get the word out 
if it really wants to.

It _is_ possible to copy/paste in linux, but altme mangles the two 
different paste buffers, so ...

you have to copy by using ctrl+c, and to insert the text in any other 
app than altme, use middle mouse click.
Works for me on ubuntu 7.10

Does anyone know where the world is stored in MS Vista when you have 
UAC on ?  I've searched my hard drive and can't find it

I wish to open up the directory where files are shared but the windows 
explorer doesn't open.

I believe, because I installed Altme into the programs directory, 
that the data etc is in some virtual drive system to sandbox everything.

AltME should change the default install directory and not choose 
the Programs directory in Vista.

Or, get AltME signed .. that might help.

If i turn UAC off, it downloads all the world data again.

I don't want to see a sea of red