World: r3wp

Neither rebol itself, nor me are able to find a rebol header in the 
file.

Thanks -- looks like there is a problem with the content-length header 
 (I thought there might be as I remember problems in testing when 
trying to get a value that all browsers were happy with. I think 
I've made IE happy while bemusing Firefox).


I've re-uploaded the script. It now doesn't set a content-length 
header. So, if you try again, it should work. But you may not get 
a download progress bar (because your browser isn't told the length 
in advance)

My apologies for the problem!

Thanks Sunanda,

it works now!

Thanks for retrying. Glad it's all hunkydory now.

I tried doing a search for "probe system" in the mailing list because 
I know it is a topic that has come up a number of times and has been 
discussed.  After spending 30 minutes searching for relevant conversations 
but came up with essentially nothing even though I tried alternate 
search engines such as Google.  I'd like the ability to specifically 
search for code snippets.  I tried different methods of entering 
the search value but in every case I ended up with {Searched for: 
["probe" "system"]}  That's not what I want.  I want "probe system" 
How do I get it?

what system do you want to probe?  (specifically what are you looking 
for?

Well, you could rewrite probe. The current probe will always stack-overflow 
because system/words/system = system.

Gregg wrote ObjBrowser which lets you "class browse" system

There's ROAM in the Viewtop "REBOL Tools" section.

(there is a comment inside obj-browser.r mentioning Ammon might use 
for RIDE IDE...and it might have some methods to do what you need 
to do.)

With google, put a search phrase in quotes:
     "probe system"
that will seek the precise phrase.

To restrict google to a specific site, the syntax is:
     "probe system" site:www.rebol.org


To search only some URLs within a site, give it a characteristic 
part of the URL:
     "probe system" site:www.rebol.org inurl:thread


Note that Google has not indexed all the thread -- which is why we 
added the in-site search.

I don't want to "probe system" after a while, if you wait long enough, 
then it will print out but I thought that there were some optimizations 
made to make "probe system" start printing sooner or something to 
that effect.  It's not "probe system" that I'm interested in.  What 
I'm interested in is finding the conversations that I participated 
in several years ago on the REBOL ML concerning the problems with 
"probe system"  but none of the search engines I used could produce 
them.

Sunanda, "probe system" site:www.rebol.org inurl:thread did not return 
what I was hoping for.  By dropping the inurl: then I was able to 
come up with one relevant thread and the rest of the results were 
talking about probing in the system object like system/script/args. 
 I can't seem to get rid of the /whatever after system with Google. 
 I was hoping that the ability use quotes to search for a specific 
phrase instead of breaking it apart and searching for multiple values 
could be added to the rebol.org search engine.

Really? I thought the probe system hang was fixed a long, long time 
ago, no stack overflow for me here. Besides it is better to just 
use 
save %system.txt system

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-display-message.r?m=rmlFCPS
has Jeff and Bo probing about.

maybe use advanced search and specifically exclude the phrase "probe 
system/"   <--- note final slash

< I can't seem to get rid of the /whatever after system with Google.>

Yes -- Google doesn't understand that system/words (say) is a single 
item. While the REBOL.org seacth does. Ditto, the REBOL.org search 
recognises ! and ? as part of a word raher than discardable syntax 
-- so you can search for object? or datatype!

On the other hand, Google better handles phrases like "probe system" 
because its indexes include proximity information..
No one search is ideal.

what's the library response to Anton's request for webspace for the 
comlib project ?

So, Sunanda,  we don't have any proximity infomation and hence can't 
search for a particular phrase including space(s) like, "probe system"???

Graham, I don't understand your question.

I think Anton was asking for 10Mb to host the comlib project .. so 
something akin to that.

Correct Ammon. The REBOL.org search indexes threads (not individual 
messages) and does not include proximiy in its indexes.

So a search for [probe system] returns all threads that include either 
word.

Sunanda showed how I can use existing rebol.org technology (packages) 
to store and synchronize the comlib project files. But I am probably 
going to get a domain with Yeksoon.

Anton. as far as using Google and removing the phrase, "probe system/" 
that's as simple as adding -"probe system/" to your search phrase 
BUT Google doesn't acknowledge "/" as being anything other than whitespace. 
 Still, the fact that I couldn't even find it with Google was an 
implication that WE can beat Google.

Yeah, you're right, actually. I think I tried that before and was 
disappointed.

Unfortunately, the library apparently doesn't have an index that 
would be condusive to such a search.  Oh well.  Wishful thinking...

Did you try the topic index -- it's intended to categorise what a 
thread is about rather than what words it contains:
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-topic-index.r?i=p

How about a fulltext-search on rebol.org, as option?

You can download Grahams' ML archive application (or. at least you 
could until he started having trouble with 1and1's hosting).

Assuming it's still available, you get 70Meg of ML messages and it 
has a search that runs on your ow desktop.

just tested Grahams' ml program and still not working :(

well, I finally made contact with 1and1 tech support.  They said 
it was a billing issue and I have to contact accounts on Monday. 
 Now, what billing issue could there be with a 3 year free account 
that has 1 year to run ?

Sunanda,  I didn't try that.  I had assumed that search would use 
that index as a key.  Is there a way to search the topic index other 
than by clicking on a letter in the alphebetical list and relying 
on the browser's find functionality?

Download everything and grep in the folder

I don't think I can download the entire ML archive from REBOL.org, 
can I?

Paid to less attention. Thought you want to search in scripts.

Maybe somebody has grahams archive?

I can search for scripts using {in author "Volker"} and get what 
I'm looking for.  Perhaps adding a {in topic "blah"} capability to 
the ML search engine would be a good idea?

Yes, you can, Ammon. That's the point of it. To store everything 
locally.

(It will take a long while, at least on dialup)

You could download all messages via the LDS interface...But I wouldn't 
recommend that: you need over 43,000 separate calls to do that.

REBOL.org doesn't offer a single packaged download of the ML archive. 
Maybe it should....

....Bui remember, that service is available from Graham; though it 
is off line until 1and1 sort out thier billing problem (scroll up 
to see Graham's message)

<< Is there a way to search the topic index other than by clicking 
on a letter>>
In theory:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-topic-index.r?i=probe

takes you straight to the entry (if any) for 'probe.  But that looks 
broken right now....I'll look into it.


Other than that, no.  Only about 80% of the threads are indexed in 
the topic index. When we get closer to 100%. we'll enhance the existing 
search to take account of the topic index.....so results will include 
and be prioritised by the topic index. 

Well, you could try, in Google:
probe site:www.rebol.org inurl:topic

But that (as with any search anywhere) is dependent on Google having 
the page indexed.

Back in February (!), Anton wrote:

<<By the way, something that I never really liked is the short rebol 
description at the top of rebol.org.>>

OLD TEXT: <<It's a messaging language. 'rebel' not 'ree-ball'.

 code is data and data is code. CGI? Yes. 40+ platforms. only 250K-500K.

 console or GUI. Yes, just a single file. commercial versions = same 
 core + ODBC, SSL, and more -

 shallow learning curve, amazing depth. keep IT simple. if you liked 
 "The Matrix"...>>

We may be slow, but we get there:   http://www.rebol.org

The banner text has been updated to ready pretty much what Anton 
suggested.

Thanks Anton!

Now, a quick challenge.  I'd like several banner texts that we can 
rotate to help keep the thing fresh, and to help unveil other aspects 
of REBOL.

Can we all chip in, please?
Either --- a 75 word (or shorter) snapshot of what REBOL is

or --- some bullet points that we can join to others to help paint 
a picture.

Thanks!

Maybe one way is for each banner to highlight a feature or strength 
of Rebol.
eg

Dialects are Rebol's greatest power. Dialects allows one to focus 
on expressing the domain specific language.


something along that line..but preferably something that SHOWS the 
benefit and not just tells it.

well, thank you Sunanda :)

You are almost one step ahead of me there, Yeksoon.

The code is in place to make each of the banner statements clickable. 
That will take you to a page with an extended explanation.

Example: one of the soundbites might be "includes cross-platform 
assembler for 20x code speed-up". If clicked will take you to a paragraph 
on rebcode with links to more documentation.

But first, we need the 20 best soundbites :-)
Any offers?

The library list talks about a new project where there is a patched 
version of View that can make library calls.  I haven't downloaded 
it .. and hope that it doesn't violate RT's rights.

Anyone looked at it to see how it does what it claims to do ?

Banner...I will try my first one..
--
Do you know....

'Dialects' is Rebol's greatest power ; it allows one to focus on 
expressing and model the the domain in its natural language.

Graham, do you mean the dll called by the plugin? It is a (slightly) 
patched version of View which can be called as a library (the other 
way around). Regular View/Pro can make library calls.