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eFishAnt 29-Jan-2005 [344] | nice examples, Geomol...curious the look of the markup needed to generate that. I think you said you surround the text with nestible tags, using a heirarchical structure? |
Geomol 29-Jan-2005 [345x4] | My example is "Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional" btw. (see http://validator.w3.org/) for those of you, who like me like to stick to standards. |
@eFishAnt Yes, I use blocks - [ and ] - for notes and tables, but there's very little syntax in the rest. The way I've implemented style changes will assure, that the output is strict hierarchical datamodel, but freedom is given to the writer for input. | |
To clarify: the text-document, the writer produces, is only strict hierarchical with notes and tables (but I use block notation for that, so it's not a big problem for the writer). Formatting can be thrown around freely. That text is first parsed into a RebXML format, which is strictly hierarchical (like XML and HTML is, when it's done right without error). | |
The text version of the above example can be seen here: http://home.tiscali.dk/john.niclasen/nicomdoc/example.txt | |
eFishAnt 29-Jan-2005 [349x7] | interesting...the block notation is not too bad. I might have to sleep on it twice (meaing it takes more than a one night stand) to sort out suggestions....but I have to admit it is better looking than what I thought it would be... |
a few more keystrokes for font than the old nroff / troff stuff. | |
distinguishing between [] and () in a writer's mind seems very logical. | |
a writer can change "voice" while typing (like this - notice I am now talking to you between the lines) using parentheses, while blocks are containers for just about anything without the sublime meaning that () have...for example here are my favorite groups [Pixies Brian-Eno Patti-Smith They-Might-Be-Giants] | |
I am thinking [] could make English better...in a literal sense. | |
Lists in English are now: Item 1, Item 2, and Item 3. | |
(sorry Webster) | |
shadwolf 29-Jan-2005 [356x3] | I finalise my first stage on adaptation rendering process !!! |
you can Dl it on http://rebol.dev.fr/view.php?sid=140(actual version is 1.3.3 see rebol script header for changelog ) | |
MDP-GUI rendering nows feet very more closer the MDP Format allowing beatifull doc preview (but processing is slow damn maybe I hace to add some kind of progress bar to not bore the user with hangon...) | |
Graham 29-Jan-2005 [359] | still only mdp? |
shadwolf 29-Jan-2005 [360x2] | graham for MD2 you get MD2IDE from ashley !!! |
I'm a competitor not an application / project killer | |
Graham 29-Jan-2005 [362] | ok. |
shadwolf 29-Jan-2005 [363x6] | MDP and MD2 are to far on rendering method to be correctly handle in a single app ... |
and has you notice it (cause you are very clever) both format have no format heading in files like =MDP or =MD2 at the very begining of the .txt file witch countains the | |
flagged doc .. | |
has MDP rendering is very distinct from MD2 we can merge them .. one little example section on MD2 it's sised text folowed by a red line on MDP it's black line folowed by newline then Num_section (example 1.2.4) folowed by text then newline again .... | |
has the flag are the same how user can make the difference betwin one and other ... | |
making 2 rendering engine will encrease and complicate the application for very not a good result ... | |
Graham 29-Jan-2005 [369] | user selects which one they are going to use. |
shadwolf 29-Jan-2005 [370] | I prefer a dedicate mode but MD2IDE and MDP-GUI can enritch them eatch other ;) |
Graham 29-Jan-2005 [371] | I prefer plug in module :) |
shadwolf 29-Jan-2005 [372x3] | GRaham =url or =image or /table \table are not formated the same way in MDP and MD2 ;) |
I think of it one day long before to start to hack the shack ;) | |
MDP formated tables just crash MD2 engine and vis et versa | |
Graham 29-Jan-2005 [375] | if you modularise the parser and rendering engine, then you can add in Geomol's version as well :) |
shadwolf 29-Jan-2005 [376x6] | so it's better to have to product each of them comply with a spécific task and avoid user crankles |
Graham I could add Excel and Word too but that's not the main actual purpose IMO | |
sources are freely downloadable and modificatable If your challenge is to merge them why not | |
but the resulting app will be very bogus , veryheavy and very slow .... | |
MDP is a more sofisticate way to process and for example with section rendering I still have some counting problem on next refresh | |
GEOMol's NICOMDOC is pretty but in vid rendering outch !!! Plz carl enhance VID rendering engine because NICOMdoc coloring text is a perf kill for VID ... | |
Graham 29-Jan-2005 [382] | ahhh ... yes, colour text |
shadwolf 29-Jan-2005 [383x2] | NicomDoc has things from MD2 and things from MDP + things really new |
but colored text in VID there I said NO, NO, NO, NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!! IMG parsys this kind of heavy flaged an recompose it to VID it's a hudge task and very process consumist | |
Graham 29-Jan-2005 [385] | doesn't didier have a rich text style? |
shadwolf 29-Jan-2005 [386] | yes but it's not talking nicomdoc it's talking RLD a low flaged dialect hand even in this case we absolutely don't know what it could produce on VID rendering time for very large text coloring (like source code text syntax colored highlighted etc...) |
Graham 29-Jan-2005 [387] | I guess one could choose to ignore the colouring and just pass it through |
shadwolf 29-Jan-2005 [388x2] | maybe with AGG cpabilities we will be able to speed rendering enought to produce those kind of ticky widgets |
Graham if you make it the to inhinitate it why t do it ?? | |
Graham 29-Jan-2005 [390] | huh? |
shadwolf 29-Jan-2005 [391x2] | whay to spent time on things you know 99% of the time you will need to shut down in the previewer ... there is yet so mutch to do |
but once again in the very futur things like that could be added with full perf and until this time we train our selves on simpliest format (simpliest for the VID statement at least) | |
Graham 29-Jan-2005 [393] | I wonder what the proportion of users are for mdp and md2 |
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