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shadwolf: Once you've settled on the "best" SVG generation tool to 
use (with feedback from folks here), then create a simple SVG icon 
(a shaded "next" arrow for instance) and post a link to the file. 
I'll have a look at the underlying SVG code it generates and we'll 
see if it's clean enough to use easily. We can then start creating 
more complex icons and improving the SVG renderer as we go. My hope 
is that we will end up with a nice set of REBOL / RebGUI SVG icons 
that are free of any licence / distribution issues.

btw - why do we need to use SVG for icons? Wouldn't draw be sufficient 
for us? Or is it because there are authoring tools out there, which 
you can use to visually produce SVG stuff?

Yes, why SVG? The SVG files are big, compared to draw blocks, and 
far less readable.

exactly ... so it must be because of Cyphre, who did not have enough 
time to produce his dream authoring tool for Rebol :-)

Reasons:

	1) Solid authoring tools
	2) Access to a large number of existing SVG icons (if needed)
	3) The standard for vector graphics
	4) Interoperability

 5) Publicity ("we support SVG icons", as opposed to, "our icons are 
 just REBOL blocks")


If we generate our own content then there is nothing stopping us 
having icons in source form (SVG) *and* pre-compiled form (draw block).

Thanks, I thought so ...

rewrite Inkscape in REBOL. :P

There's probably more windows metafiles floating around than SVG. 
ooh another project for someone :-)

Inkscape will need some icons for its interface.

There was a version of paint.r that output to SVG. I think Jeff did 
it

Don't know inkscape, But I'm on a Draw editor script since yesterday 
;-), but, hey, chhhh...

OK, after looking the inkscape website, don't expect too much of 
my project :-/

didec: don't want to do double work, but I am working on one too, 
specifically for makedoc2 :-)

it wont be particularly complex, just something that allows you to 
draw simple diagrams quickly and copy the draw commands to the clopboard 
for insertion in your doc.

AS far I I done My test InkSCape is the good one ... (but it's SVG 
output can be little bit complicated...) I have tested thegimp sodipodi 
(abandonned) and inkscape . and the more suitable od those 3 is InkScape 
very easy of use portable and full featured :)

inkskape edit very well the set of icons you provided with svg-demo.r 
;)

http://www.inkscape.org/

see screen shots entry in the menu of the inkscape website to have 
a view on what this tool can do for us ;)

It would be good to see more REBOL SVG tools.

I am a bit surprised not to see any DRAW SVG tool yet.... even just 
a small one.

Sure but we are lamers .... sorry ...

My son, who helped with View 1.3 is using Fireworks to create the 
graphics, then a small REBOL script to convert to DRAW format.

Shadwolf... or maybe too sunny and nice outside too, eh?

first we need to learn th SVG format ...

shadwolf - the question is, if AGG is capable enough to allow all 
possible renderings. But let's hope it is. Mozilla foundation is 
going to use Cairo library. Hopefully Maxim will stil improve on 
AGG ...

I told DideC not to go to the beach unless I get to go too.

Maybe your son can help with  the Rebgui project now that 1.3 is 
out?

Carl that's absolutly not the problem here it''s 34°C sunny days 
and I'm plug all the day long to my pc but there so mutch thing to 
do ..

Ashley mentioned he has something small. And Cyphre has too, but 
commercially closed.

Cyphre can't use his code .. but that doesn't mean he can't take 
the knowledge and apply it

Pekr: I know that Cyphre has put a few large city maps into DRAW, 
and they looked pretty good. We just need to get him to tell us more 
about it.

unless there's a non compete clause.

http://www.dobeash.com/files/svg-demo.zipfor Ashley SVG renderer 
drawer script

AShley rocks but inkscape ouput is not supported until now

Ashley promised to add more rocks when we start with small (as in 
features) images and grow.

http://shadwolf.free.fr/fraisier.pnghttp://shadwolf.free.fr/fraisier.png

do you ppl think that SVG along with CSS are future of web? That 
html as we know it today, will be put to rest in few years?

this is my first big image draw intent with  inkscape ...

sure the ideal thing would be to have a rebol clone of inkscape ... 
But this will take lot of time to write ...

http://shadwolf.free.fr/fraisier.png

sorry for the bad link ...

btw instead of those zips, should we change to view-desktop for demos?

I want rebol clone of Scala multimedia better :-) SVG is nice, but 
I want things to move and move fast and smoothly - impossible today 
...

the only thing that I wasnt able to do is use TTF font files with 
Inscape

Pekr: on Scala - yes me too!

we should integrate fmod for sound, and bitstream for fonts - even 
Qt uses bitstream and the basic engine is under 150KB?

Carl - what would be needed? My impression is, that smooth scrolling 
is not possible with Win32 API?

I remember talking to Dave Haynie and he told me, that when working 
in Scala, they had to code own sub-os, to get precise timers, synchronisation 
etc. So - dunno. Took lots of work for them. And Rebol has to be 
cross-platform, so, maybe it is impossible to achieve. But you know 
better - you're the media guy! :-)

If all is needed is DirectX - then go for it, I think it is on every 
Windows machine nowadays ...

Pekr, how long ago was that?  Hardware has got more powerful  ... 
Moore's law