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[rebcode] Rebcode discussion
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Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1731x3] | currently a rebuild the parser to generate rebcode instead of rebol instructions |
*currently i | |
so i don' t use set block anymore ;-) | |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1734] | It occurs to me that you might be able to do the fixups using a compile-time lookup table, or perhaps translating addresses to label statements. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1735x2] | i agree |
i add this to my to-do list | |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1737] | It also occurs to me that you could assemble your own code and modify the code blocks at runtime to make lookups unnecessary. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1738] | but there's some difficulties toing that in real time |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1739] | As long as you don't change the length of the code blocks any offsets would still be valid and the location in memory of the data underlying the code blocks wouldn't change, lowering the chance of a crash. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1740x2] | *doing that |
if i concatenate code at the end only (append) the previous branch offsets should not be disturbed ? | |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1742] | How much memory does this machine you are emulating have? |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1743x3] | 64 Ko |
Z80 can only manage 64 Ko of ram at once | |
but there is a sort of memory mapper | |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1746] | How much address arithmetic is common when doing indirect branches and calls, and can you reverse it using flow analysis? |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1747x3] | hum i don't understand |
adresses are on 16 bits | |
so Z80 can jump anywhere in 64 ko space adressing | |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1750] | Are the Z80 opcodes fixed or variable length? If variable, are real-programmer tricks like branching into the middle of an opcode common? |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1751x2] | variable length |
and yes it is common to branch in the middle of opcodes, we can't predict that by a static analysis | |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1753] | I mean, to the middle of opcodes, not from. The real-programmer trick is to treat the latter portion of an opcode as if it were a different opcode, just because it has the same bit pattern, or worse yet, branching into the middle of static data. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1754] | yes and what is the question ?!? |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1755] | I was seeing how difficult it would be to do a full-program compilation to a single rebcode block, with label statements at every branch destination. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1756] | agree, for me it's possible only for direct jumps |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1757] | You don't even have to use label statements if you have 2 blocks, one full of references to the other. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1758x3] | but in my example source, there is 80% of direct jumps |
agree BrianH | |
my parser was just a proof of concept, i agree there is a lot of optimizations to do | |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1761] | If you are really evil, you could fill a BRAB block with the offsets of every Z80 operation into the offsets of their equivalent rebcode operations and turn every branch into an address calculation, a BRA to a label before the BRAB, then the BRAB. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1762] | hmm... |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1763] | It would mean a 64K element BRAB block for every 64K set of memory, in addition to the size of the generated code. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1764] | hurg !!! |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1765] | You can't run REBOL on a cell phone, you know. Everything else has plenty of RAM :) |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1766] | yes but it's not ROM but RAM, and evil programms can rewrite opcodes |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1767] | So, you can keep track of which areas of RAM have code in them and fix up the rebcode offsets when they are modified. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1768] | yes Brian, all is possible ;-) |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1769x4] | You can even implement memory protection by filling the areas of the BRAB block that correspond to inappropriate areas of RAM with branch offsets to error-handling code. |
That could be the default value to fill the BRAB block with. For that matter, if the error handling code directly follows the BRAB block you can use the value 0 to fill the BRAB block with by default. | |
You can even do this incrementally by filling in the code block as you go along and fixing up the offsets in the BRAB block as you generate the code that they point to.. | |
The code generator can be your default code too, so code will get generated on the fly. | |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1773] | yep, i follow u |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1774] | There is no reason that the generated rebcode need be in the same order in its block that the original code is in its context. The BRAB block adds a layer of indirection, making the memory virtual. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1775] | yes, i agree |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1776] | If you generate it as you go along, the rebcode will be generated in the order that it is executed. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1777] | it's the case currently |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1778] | If you keep the Z80 memory in a binary! and make changes to it, whenever code at an offset already covered by the BRAB block is modified you would change that offset in the BRAB block to the default and mark the associated section of the rebcode as free. That way the next time you branch to that offset it would retranslate the Z80 to rebcode and put that rebcode in the first free spot big enough. You could even break up your code into blocks of around the same size and branch between them, to reduce fragmentation. |
Steeve 20-Feb-2007 [1779] | hmmm |
BrianH 20-Feb-2007 [1780] | You will likely have some rebcode that corresponds to the same areas of Z80 memory more than once, but memory is cheap on every platform REBOL runs on, particularly compared to a Z80. |
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