World: r3wp

Anton, In order to speed coding you could just target cloning.

I think it's wise to fork Orca, to be clear about the name and the 
direction it's going.

And the easiest way for that is add the missing natives and mezz.

Anton why fork. There is nobody else developing it.

Once the all the natives and mezz are completed then we can talk 
about enhancements.

Like Kaj request for returning the last element.

Hmm.. So you think there is lots of work that can still be done before 
the need to fork becomes a strong issue.

Exactly

Pick the low-hanging fruit. There's a lot left here

Ok, so we can pool our resources and leave the arguments til a later 
stage.

Yup

Alright, sounds reasonable.

You see the light!

I had to work through the issues. :)

It's good to know where everyone stands.

I agree with Kaj here ... develop what is missing, then go R3 route 
compatibility wise .... good aproach imo!

so I think we have got general agreement about the course here?

Now just how to make those 3 rumoured complete rebol clones authors 
to release the code to Orca? :-)

Life is funny for months, I encourage people to work on Orca, when 
KarlR and myself decide to quit, we get new fuel. Funny.

Cycles of energy.

Karl wants to quit Orca?

is there anything fruitfull in R#, which could be donated to Orca? 
Have you talked to Doc? He will imo never return to R# anyway .... 
:-)

Jaime, I told you to have perseverence :-)

I talked to many gurus, but none wants to work together, too many 
lone wolfs here.

It doesn't matter now, Orca works, it is just missing completeness 
in natives and that I the port system.

You can't expect a deep thing like a language platform to catch on 
within a few months, or even a few years. Especially not without 
any advertising

hmm, what a pity ... if all agree, that having OS Rebol is a good 
thing, even for RT, then I wonder why noone want to release? What 
is the point in having Rebol clone sitting on own hd, unreleased?

The port systems is the big task. Becuase I want something new. I 
don't like the current problems with the existing design.

You know how Steve Dekorte has been doing it with Io for more than 
four years, that's the way to do it

new system?

Pekr, they can sell their solutions with their own proprietary language.

ah, then business activities ....

Kaj, Yes. I have study that well, but we need native co-routines.

There is no free-lunch

I mean the way Steve works

Pekr, another reason is shyness and desire of learning only. So they 
avoid any legal problems. However I don't see how a clone can have 
legal implications. It is not like we are copying the src code, and 
re-engineering is allowed.

Kaj. I don't follow you. Do you mean his leadership style?

Yes

He hangs on and engages the community

Ah. But I am not Steve.

True, me neither

Maybe Anton will take his role.

*Jaime* dissapears leaving some blue smoke track.

On the interest in Orca. As I mentioned before, Orca is included 
in Syllable 0.6.1. In that form, many thousands of copies have been 
distributed already all over the world. We're currently up to about 
4500 downloads of the install CD, so those would presumably be people 
really running the system, 2300 live CDs and an unknown number of 
VMware images, which have been very popular in the past. It's also 
in the shops on the DVD version of Linux Format magazine. I don't 
know how big the DVD part of its circulation is, but it must be many 
thousands

Now not many of those Syllable users would currently be using Orca, 
but starting with the next Syllable release I am writing and rewriting 
system tools in Orca, so basically all future Syllable users would 
be using Orca. The next step of course is to make the developers 
among them aware of it

Hmmmm... :)

Trojan horse approach?

You want to make Orca do nasty things? ;-)

that is sure to get someones atttention

Seeing that the Orca Campfire chat is now closed, some people here 
would like an Orca world and I'm running a number of AltME worlds 
anyway, I started one. If you would like an account, ask me here, 
or log in as guest. The world name is Orca and the guest password 
is guest