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Kaj
10-Aug-2011
[2899]
Maybe I imagined the speed improvement. My previous experiments were 
the night before, and I don't have those executables anymore
Pekr
10-Aug-2011
[2900]
Will Arduino support bring us an ARM support? Hmm, maybe not - it 
seems to be an Atmel, not ARM?
Kaj
10-Aug-2011
[2901x2]
The small Arduinos are AVR, the bigger Netduinos are ARM
The first embryonic support for both is already done, if I'm not 
mistaken
Dockimbel
10-Aug-2011
[2903x2]
Arduino boards use AVR 8-bit MCU (microcontroller), the Netduinos 
use a 32-bit MCU equivalent to an ARMv4 IIRC. The port for AVR 8-bit 
has started but it is still highly experimental. The ARM port started 
by Andreas targets ARMv5 architecture IIRC.
16-bit integers: Red/System does not need them, but interfacing with 
external libraries might require it, especially for struct members. 
I wonder if adding support for a int16! pseudo-datatype, only limited 
to struct members would be hard to add...Will have a look at it, 
once all the current pending tasks will be done.
Pekr
10-Aug-2011
[2905]
as for "pending tasks" - is there any list,of what is being currently 
worked on, other than the website roadmap?
Kaj
10-Aug-2011
[2906x2]
16 bits arrays also need to be manipulated, with 16 bits access and 
pointer arithmetic
Lots of external functions take 16 bits arguments. Are they 16 or 
32 bits on the stack?
Dockimbel
10-Aug-2011
[2908x2]
For IA-32 CPU, it is always 32-bit on stack.
List of tasks: yes, on my paper notebook. They usually cover 1 to 
3 days of work and are updated frequently.
Pekr
10-Aug-2011
[2910x2]
so still mostly working on Red/System, to be powerfull enough to 
write RED in?
I just wonder - if Carl would decide one day to "port" R3 to Red/System, 
would it mean, that the resulting executable would run at the target 
platforms supported by Red/System?
Dockimbel
10-Aug-2011
[2912]
Mostly working on Red now (memory allocator is done, tokenizer will 
start soon), but some Red/System improvements and fixes are still 
needed.
Pekr
10-Aug-2011
[2913]
Where you will write stuff like devices (in R3 terminology), events, 
tasking/threading, simply a native stuff? As a RED/System? Or will 
it be RED itself (will not it be slow then?) I just would like to 
understand it a bit :-)
Dockimbel
10-Aug-2011
[2914x2]
R3 -> Red/System: not sure if it would be an advantage or not. Currently, 
from a performance POV, C is still faster. (Think about current Red/System 
as C without optimizations turned on).
The "native" layer in Red is Red/System, so almost all that stuff 
will be coded in Red/System with some interfacing layer in Red.
Pekr
10-Aug-2011
[2916]
Aha, so Red/System is just a general REBOL/C like language. We still 
need to wrap native functionality/libraries, to get tasking, events, 
etc. Btw - do you plan to utilise liboop, libevent, pthreads libraries, 
or will you write everything from scratch/your (REBOL) way?
Dockimbel
10-Aug-2011
[2917x2]
Tasking

 will be brought by actor! datatype which will use a pool of OS threads 
 underneath. I am not sure what you mean precisely by "events". Liboop 
 and libevent are nice libraries, but probably overkill for Red, so 
 I will implement similar low-level OS bindings specifically for Red 
 (probably merged in the actor abstraction). For OS threads, I will 
 pick up the API provided natively by each OS.
Kaj, do you have already some gfx demo to show using Red/System + 
SDL or are you preparing something for the Software Freedom Day?
Kaj
10-Aug-2011
[2919x2]
Just a lame gradient, but I'm preparing for SylCon, September 3
Do you need one?
Dockimbel
10-Aug-2011
[2921]
For the Software Freedom Day, any Red/System cool demo is welcome.
Kaj
10-Aug-2011
[2922x2]
I'll definitely have more then, that you can show
I'm programming redshift now and I've already found fault with the 
first SDL example ;-)
Dockimbel
10-Aug-2011
[2924]
You mean Redshift in Red/System?
Kaj
10-Aug-2011
[2925x2]
No, in SDL in 24 bits modes
I can finally paint a pixel in any video mode, but the SDL example 
for 24 bits is broken, and I've also hit another bug in Red
Dockimbel
10-Aug-2011
[2927]
Nice! Waiting for your bug report...
Kaj
10-Aug-2011
[2928x2]
Got to analyse it first
I can't analyse them as fast as you fix them :-)
Dockimbel
10-Aug-2011
[2930]
Fortunately for me ;-)
Kaj
10-Aug-2011
[2931x5]
It's up. This was the hardest to trace until now
All video modes also work on Syllable
I'm happy to report that raw SDL performance is almost twice as fast 
on Syllable as on Linux: a rendering that takes five seconds on Linux 
with X11 takes three on Syllable
This is on the same machine, in the same resolution, with hardware 
specific drivers installed on each
Also, dragging the window during the rendering doesn't visibly slow 
down the rendering on Syllable, while it clearly stutters on Linux
Gregg
11-Aug-2011
[2936]
That's fantastic Kaj.
Kaj
11-Aug-2011
[2937x2]
I can read a bitmap image now and blit it to the screen
http://web.syllable.org/images/screenshots/Desktop/0.6.6/Red-SDL-binding-on-SyllableDesktop-0.6.6.png
GrahamC
12-Aug-2011
[2939]
Impressive
Endo
12-Aug-2011
[2940]
That's cool!
Dockimbel
12-Aug-2011
[2941x2]
http://www.colineau.fr/rebol/downloads/demoTTS_Red.zip


Demo of a dialog, using the Google TTS api.

a custom dll has been 
written, based on the reference :
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/audio-video/GoogleTTS-Ebook-Reader.aspx

This demo is only executable under windows, and requests an Internet 
link

Tested with Windows XP and red/system 0.2.1

compilation: do/args 
%rsc.r 
%demoTTS.reds -t Windows"
Nice little demo and works very well.
Kaj
12-Aug-2011
[2943]
I've tested that my bindings are still compatible with the new release
Dockimbel
12-Aug-2011
[2944]
Good to know.
Kaj
12-Aug-2011
[2945]
Ooh, Text To Speech. Nice!
Dockimbel
12-Aug-2011
[2946x2]
Yeah, good complement to your gfx binding to make a nice demo for 
the SFD 201. :-)
2011
Kaj
12-Aug-2011
[2948]
I assume it's Windows code? I wouldn't be interested in it, but you 
can