World: r3wp

so, I'm somewhat pessemistic about a community collaboration on such 
a project.

this is not a problem that can be solved by throwing a server at 
it .. as we already done that.

The best place to look may be the french community?

who knows ...

so, I'm somewhat pessemistic about a community collaboration on such 
a project.


Pessimism implies something can fail…what can fail here?  Centralized 
information does not exist.  Building a site that centralizes information 
instantly accomplished the goal, as long as it can be updated by 
the very creation of information.  If it was nothing but an RSS transponder 
it would already accomplish something.


The trick to all of this is simply opening everything up.  Which 
brings up another great example, you blog, and your blogs have 0 
comments.  I blog (to a more private forum not computer related), 
I get anywhere between 20 and 100 comments.  But it is because I'm 
linked off a centralized feed.


People need to be invited in, given places to go, and know that things 
are happening.

I think of an alternate explanation .. Altme consumes all the chat 
resources available.

look at http://www.reboltalk.com/forums/.. the last post Nov 26.

How about free hosting, like lycos or such? peoples build their homes 
there, add rebol-widgets to pages? To get a community running?

I think of an alternate explanation .. Altme/Rebol3 consumes all 
the chat resources available of the more prominent supporters.


This is my point!  We are all hidden in here.  It is elitist, and 
there isn't even a way for people to come in easily.  Sure we will 
have to deal with Trolls (don't we already?)  but we can see some 
new blood as well.

Volker, in fact that is sort of what I'm saying.   Except I'm not 
suggesting anyone needs to move their stuff to this site, quite the 
opposite.  The site is to centralize all the information about all 
the other sites and places.  It is mostly a giant voting engine.

The news is just the top stories.

The forum is just a place for people to ask questions, in fact the 
mirror of Rebol3 should be there.


The library would still be over on Rebol.org.  but the reviews would 
be on RebolCentral.com.

I did not mean host only rebol. Host daily stuff, blogs. Then the 
devs are wizards in a community.

And the others get contact with rebol, because they can add guestbooks 
etc on their pages.

I'm cool with adding this stuff.

rebol.org already has "voting" in that you can see which scripts 
have been downloaded.

but I think you have to login to see this stuff.

Knowing the download is useful, but outright voting/ranking is needed.


Off the top of my head a script needs:

Category
Lines of code
Author(s)
Publisher
License
Requirements
One sentence description.
500 word description.
filesize
Date of last update 
Version

History (when it was updated, lines of code, version numbers, etc).
Screen shots (if applicable)
Average rating
Review formatted as Pro and Con.
Editor's rating & Review
Comments: (hangs off the forum)

Connections to other scripts? "Customers who downloaded this script 
downloaded also"?

Exactyl!  Now you're talking.

2006 in 40 minutes, till later

Graham wins the 
first to say something can't be done" award.".. 

Graham, looks like you've earned the coveted "energy vampire" award 
for today.

Please, no IOS.

My suggestion, promote the mailing list..and use IRC.

Example, the committe in charge can use IRC for regular discussions, 
and anyone who may have interests on any topic can just logon to 
the channel and take part.


Reduce the 'elitism' part. ....make it more accessible for developers. 
Some of them could be on Mac etc.

As far as I can tell, the main constraint on developing Rebol.org 
is the lack of people prepared to get involved and give their time. 
From my knowledge, Sunanda has single-handely maintained and developed 
Rebol.org for the last two years. (All in his spare time as he does 
it on a voluntary basis). (I'm definitely more of a hindrance than 
a help:-)).


Reichart is right, Rebol.org looks drab when compared with something 
like Ruby Garden FAQs. It doesn't appear friendly. Rebol.org lacks 
features though many that it has aren't used much(member home pages, 
forums for individual scripts, articles).


If I remember correctly, Sunanda has asked on a number of occasions 
for suggestions and help with the design/layout of the website. He's 
put in place most of the suggestions received which has resulted 
in some improvement in the look over the last couple of years.


What Rebol.org probably lacks is the clear focus and direction that 
creates a sense of purpose which will encourage people to volunteer. 
The may be a great part to the "paternal" relationship with RT which 
not only "fathered" the library system but continues to finance the 
server.


A successful RebolCentral would probably give Rebol.org a renewed 
focus and probably won't divert any resources away from it.

Yeksoon, I don't think IOS is where topics should be had, but offering 
a public IOS system that does "something" could be cool to show off. 
 Sort of like a model house.  No?


Peter, I actually did not know who ran Rebol.org (see!  My point 
exactly about -centralizing information, :-)   )


I think we could work together though.  As far as I'm concerned, 
anything built for RebolCentral.org will be open and free for trade. 
 Perhaps we can build and lock down templates that get carried to 
the other sites to create unity.


I see no reason to replicate anything as well.  In other words, if 
possible, we build one database of all content (perhaps what is already 
on Rebol.org) and leave it there, simply build a review system that 
points to it.  Most download sites work this way.  They are just 
a clearing house to other sites.

Where can I get the latest SDK download from?

On rebol.net I don't understand these two versions:

5-Dec-2005 	Release 	Win32 031 	View 1.3.2
18-Nov-2005	Alpha		See Above	View 1.3.61

Isn't 1.3.61 more advanced then 1.3.2?

I'm mostly looking for the plug-in DLL.

IOS: I would not use it as a permanent server. Instead: When we did 
the bbs, carl fired up a fresh one. We had chat and file-syncing. 
I would prefer to use it in such short-term ways. Then backing project 
up to web.

rebol.org - afaik its hosted on some shared server. maybe we can 
host it on the dedicated too? Then Sunanda & team can play whit daemons. 
chat, auto-filesyncing etc.

rebol-org, layout. IMHO it looks like slashdot. :)) I see rebol.com 
and rebolcentral as the use-sites and rebol.net, rebol.org as the 
programmer-sites. central and .org could share some things, like 
list of projects. But some thingslike the ML-arhcive is better on 
.org, and a clear "nerds"-look may be a good signal.

sdk: the 1.3.2 . 1.3.62 is 1.3.2 with rebcode.

Or would be if there was a 1.3.62 - right now the latest rebcode 
release is 1.3.61, based on the 1.3.1 codebase. 1.3.2 is actually 
more recent.

Ein frohes und glückliches 2006 für Alle

Happy New Year!
Let it be a good one! :-)

Happy New Year everybody! Already almost two days old!

Worse virus Microsoft (and any of us using Windows) has ever seen!

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/912840.mspx

No virus(es) in OSX ;-)

They may have lot more to do with the fact that hackers don't target 
OSX.

Windows executing anything is a good help.

OpenBSD doesn't have virus(es)

There is Theo. Hackers fear the revenge.. :)

Nice. MS has a patch. But instead of maybe disabling a rarely used 
feature they want the pcs to be infected instead?

Jaime, not that I want to engage you in an argument, but stating 
OpenBSD doesn't have viruses is like saying cute blond girls don't 
get AIDs.  If you want to refer to OpenBSD as being more secure, 
and more importantly more securable if installed correctly, then 
we agree.

I thought "no exploicts" means no viruses can find a way in?

Viruses don't necessarily use exploits :-)

users are biggest exploit

OS has to protect against users too. When hovering or loading loads 
code, bad.

A smart user uses two computers, and that should be done by os instead.

Reihart. I was just teasing ;-) (However I find both OSX and OpenBSD 
more secure)

Good.  And we agree, they are much more secure.  I strongly feel 
that OSes should be OpenSource.

only OSes, or even languages, which are regarded being platfforms? 
:-)

then the next question will be 'should all platforms' be open source?

I have to agree about languages.   I'm the one that pushes Cark "alway" 
to open as much as possible on Rebol.