World: r3wp

Has anyone used UML in real-life. Or even more precise - is UML worth 
studying? I want to construct some system, which will have some object 
model, inheritance, classes, but dunno if UML is worth studying as 
reference. I have read few chapters - seems like cool thing, but 
a bit difficult to swallow - too many terms etc. ....

REBOL cuts out the bureacracy of UML and implements direct.  Schler-Mellor 
and Grady Brooch have some "noble" goals (but the devil's in the 
implementation), but have never faced anything as powerful as REBOL 
yet for implementation.  I saw Mellor talk once, and he did a great 
talk on "orthogonal behavior" which is apropos.  I think the way 
to utilize their mess is to do it simpler in REBOL, call it UMLR 
and teach them the future.

:-) ... yes, I can see your point ...

I will soon now post some doc(s) for brainstorming - well, maybe 
not docs, just a brainstorming itself ... I need to find myself and 
categorise my thoughts and need help on that ... of course I am studying 
various workflow, business process papers etc ...

so far it seems to be that if I want to be really abstract enough, 
I need such complex things as UML ....

nah, just dialects

... but maybe just because UML is here for real object oriented languages 
like Java, and once we use Rebol, we don't need such beurocracy to 
express relations ...

you need to define the lexicon of workflow.  keep it simple, and 
follow the flow

the discipline Carl uses to determine each word that REBOL uses...that 
is his UML.

CELP, QCELP, EVRC: found specifications...  awfull complexe specifications 
: O  - (but the QCP file format is quite simple)

He told us at Devcon that the most time he spends is selecting the 
exact right word to use in REBOL.

(Vincent...I have the CD's from TIA EIA... with sample C code...and 
some other code as well...;-)

EVRC 8k gives almost the same quality of voice as QCELP 13k, thus 
in USA, for CDMA, EVRC is used to increase voice call capacity.

if you are in Europe, then the GSM standards might be most useful 
to you, and I would have to look them up.

(supporting the standards used in VoIP would also be good)

eFishAnt:  sources will help - I'll give it a try

sound:// need streaming capabilities, for both music and VoIP

yes

I put sound into show.r ... '-)

oh, I have a tic in my eye

ant-tics ... yes that makes sense

0-o-o<

Ogg Vorbis...

My priorities for sound library is to have at least support to common 
uncompressed formats r/w, then least cpu-intensive compression schemes 
r/w

Are REBOL/SDK issues also discussed in any of these groups?

Geomol:you can make a sdk group under the Rebol group

Ok, I may do that.

Just reading around and getting up-to-date... I found RAMBO. I send 
a bug report with the "Feedback" thing on RT's homepage. Should I 
post it again with RAMBO? Maybe I'll get better response?

I mean, I sent a bug report ...

Geomol:RAMBO is the mail depostitory fro Rebol bugs/bug tracking

Pekr: I have found capturing user requirements in Use Cases very 
helpful. They aren't really part of UML but are one of the main inputs 
to it. I probably don't build enough systems to have the need to 
get into UML.


Martin Fowler's UML Distilled is probably worth reading as he has 
a practical point of view.

any REBOLers want to invade 43things.com?

not so much "invade" as "check out"

Geomol: i'd suggest using RAMBO and not email feedback for bugs. 
this frees up some time for Carl.

Thanks Gabriele, I'll do that tomorrow, when I get back to the company, 
I'm doing it for.

I would like to contact Carl about a relational database, I've done 
in REBOL, to see, if he can use some of it in any way. Can I contact 
him here in REBOL3 by writing directly to him?

I think you can ...

you can, however he doesn't check here very often at times, so you 
may need some patience :)

oki doki

can we know what kind of db is it? rebol level source, or C module 
linked via library interface, or?

About 50k of REBOL/Core source. Build as a relative level and an 
index level on top of that - top-most a full relational DB. I've 
also started a SQL interface, but I'm not sure, if I wanna finish 
that part. :-)

Multi-user of course.

Geomol - have you looked at RebDB?

Yes, a little bit.

I made mine as a finishing project for an education, I finished last 
year.

how have you got yourself to Rebol?

Being an Amigan for so many years, I checked on Carl's projects over 
the years. I started with REBOL 4-5 years ago.

Pekr, I've seen your nickname many times. How are you related to 
it?

related to what? Rebol? Well, there were those times, in 1996, when 
Carl tried to resurrect amiga at Viscorp ... then he left, I read 
his paper about "dream system" - first scripting, then OS, and I 
believed into it. Well, we are a bit late with the original plan, 
but I still try to believe :-)

:-) Let's see, if I can find that paper on the web... could be interesting 
to read. (Can't remember, if I saw that already somewhere.)