World: r3wp

OK, my main point was - why use rebol for presentation, if 1) it 
can be used only by me, and adv company can't deliver its own content 
2) no Authoring tool exists (although dialect is a good start) 3) 
it will hardly produce better output that Scala

the wise thing initially imo would be to "deploy", not to reinvent 
....

I want to produce kiosk, put pc in, add touchscreen, start windows 
or linux, install scala player, ppt player, whatever player, add 
ios client to sync what/when/how should be played, play the advert 
... that is the whole initial plan

Pekr, you are correctly pointing out that things like IOS have NO 
limitations...Freedom to do it as you want to.

some may even want static presentation using html and few flash anims 
... I just need to be able to script/navigate/kill it ....

and that is a salient point which I make in sales pitches.

I can't produce all presentations for such companies, I don't own 
gfx studio nor am I skilled as Chris is, so I want to give companies 
freedom to bring in own spots ...

but it does not mean I would not like to see rebol based tool :-) 
I am still surprised by Jeff's anim dialect, very cool aproach, could 
be extended ....

That's what I did for my presentation.

otoh I don't give up on possibility to make things better. Some of 
us were telling View was OK even before AGG, now we know AGG was 
good addition. The same may go for few small twist to View kernels, 
which would open many more possibilities ....

Reading Carl only group I wonder what will be the next blog about 
:-)

Does anyone own mac-mini already?

but just don't forget how open REBOL already is...you might confuse 
others to think what they want to do is impossible.  It IS possible 
right now to make the killer authoring tool of your dreams.

(and I AM working on them)

This is an example slide from my presentation -- this could be simplified 
further:

#start [
    across backdrop black
    box 500x100 return box 500x180
    animation 200x180 load-stock 'face-anim anim-rate [#1 0:0:2]
    return image load-stock "title" :0:0 [1:0 fade black 8]
]

but wouldn't you prefer it it all could be done in rebol only, plus 
some VM, so no need to produce separate libraries, needing to compile 
them for each target platform?

This is another:
#section-1 header "design and the x-internet"

I AM doing REBOL-only solutions (well, of course, there are some 
caveats to that, but in the current solutions)

hmm ... have you looked at Lingo? I wonder if you can produce dependency 
tree using such dialect? It could be imo done. I mean e.g. - don't 
start clip2 unless clip1 is finished or logo is moved already to 
position XxY etc.

ok, I need to move on to get myself home ... lot's of snow here ... 
hopefully back in one or two hours ...

Note that in the first slide, it is simply VID code.  Slides can 
be referenced by their #id -- pres-face/goto #section-1

[OT a bit]

if you look at 'presentation' from the normal usage, like Powerpoint.. 
then there will always be a deficiency (my opinion).


But, presentation on a wider scale... think of your cable provider 
broadcasting 'ads' (or presentation etc) using some rebol based stuffs. 
iTV, STB... content provider will always abuse bandwidth. 


With bandwidth being commoditize, the key problem in the future is 
throughput. Concurrent demand for something some memory hungy content.

yes, but rebol can be efficient here - you do pass only a dialect 
... that is rebol's win

While other talk about semantic web, they talk, but we are there

yes, there is nothing stopping us.

but I do wish on better multimedia engine, and we know View can be 
optimised .... I already asked Carl to blog more on opening rebol, 
he agreed, but he told me first things first, so I expect him to 
do so once rebservices etc. are out ...

All I say, Petr, is don't let technical limitations inhibit your 
imagination...

Once Carl opens View, we need to invite Dave Haynie and Paul Nolan 
;-)

... that could be fun :-) We need to prepare for revolutionary PSX 
3 port ...

There you got it. PSX 3 great hw for what you need. Pekr, if what 
you want is to be able to display some flash and other type of static 
content. I already have a rebol remote controller for Firefox. With 
full screen support. I had work flawlessly for us. So content is 
product traditionally. We just let rebol synchro the files and tell 
the browser to display them.

remote controller for Firefox? How?

Graham: Here are the basic funcs. Enjoy. I had used and tested it 
on unix platforms only.

browser-pid: none
browser-path: %/home/mbaki/MozillaFirebird/
default-url: http://www.linkspot.com/
current-url: none

start-browser: has [command result] [

 command: rejoin [ {./MozillaFirebird -fullscreen -url } default-url 
 { &}]
	result: call/info command
	browser-pid: result/id + 7
	current-url: copy default-url
]

stop-browser: has [command] [
	command: rejoin [ {kill -9 } browser-pid]
	call/info command
	browser-pid: none
	current-url: none
]

visit-site: func [
	"Sets the site displayed by the browser."
	site [url!] 
	/local command result
][
	current-url: copy site

 command: rejoin [ {./MozillaFirebird -remote "openurl(} site {)"} 
 ]
	call/info command
]

active-site?: does [ current-url ]

browser-pid?: does [ browser-pid ]

change-dir browser-path
start-browser

thanks.  I didn't know Firefox took command line arguments

;-) Ssshh... Now you know one of my secrets.

Last night I had 5 gmail invites, now I have 49 gmail invites

invitation spam?  makes me feel googley all over.

Is there a way to type in an expression into Visual-Basic-Editor 
in Excel to get it evaluated? Something like the console in Rebol?

 -- Skipped a lot, may have been answered, but in VB (not VBA you 
 would use the debug window for this; sometimes called the "immediate" 
 window.

Jaime, that is very interesting.

Enter this into the address bar of Mozilla, and hit enter.. 

7 Carl's Blog

(Oh wait, you need to set up the bookmarks in Moz first.. see the 
°7° group)

Here's how to set up the bookmark.. 

1.) Open up Mozzila and under Bookmarks, hit "manage bookmarks"
2.) Click on "New Bookmark", 
	for name put "7"
	for location, enter "http://o7o.org/7=%s"  (without quotes)
	for keyword, use "7"
	click "OK"

Then try this as well. 
 7 Carl's blog : author

Details on how to remote control Firefox can be found here: http://www.mozilla.org/unix/remote.html

I've always found DocKimbel's VidBalls amazing.  See Rebol Desktop, 
Sites, DocKimbel, VidBalls.

terry, woa! Why not a 7search box for moz now ? :-)

anyone else have a blog site up with Carl's blog script?

Charles, search will be a predicate.

:-) http://abfhm.free.fr/basket.swf

Charles, I was looking at ConQuery for Mozilla and I'll definitely 
add a 'search plugin' for °7°.. looks handy.