World: r3wp

You are most welcome in Google Plus. :-)

Are there gropups on Google plus? Or just circles?

Not yet, I think.

Do you think, that Google+ might become a competition to Facebook, 
or will it just fade-out as their Wave did?

All depends on the number of users, which is climbing steadily.

I think that many people won't drop their facebook account, so somehow 
there will be an integration between them, in a middle term..

people I know who know about google + tend to prefer its ideas so 
far.     A lot of people I know don't like facebook at all (it just 
wastes so much time) but don't really have an alternative.  


The fact that Google plus is tackling the problem of separating your 
social circles *FIRST* is, to me, a good indication that they've 
done their homework into how they can compete which facebook.

Simply, I put trust  on google to keep my personal data (and not 
to sell them) because I know they make their money without this urge.

Facebook on the contrary never stoped to ly about the privacy topic. 
Year after year, they experimented new way to exploit your credulity 
to sell your personal data.

From the beginning I felt this trap will arrive , tha"t why I never 
entered in that Facebook mania.

The one thing I hate about Goggle is that they usually write pretty 
good code  :-)

I'm resisting right now, but I feel like it won't be long before 
I cave in.  I already really like what I've seen so far.

my biggest complaints are the lack of groups and also some silly 
UI bugs. If I choose to follow a popular person and he posts something 
with 500 responses, those 500 responses cannot be collapsed. I have 
to scroll through them.

for sure their interface will improve, But I think Google has a much 
better record for making things better in time... 


IMHO, Facebook hasn't really changed at all in years.  Its all cosmetics, 
and even then I can't really tell you what its improved.  I've still 
got a useless stream of hundreds of posts a day which I can't *easily* 
manage.  configuring **anything** in FB is tedious to say the least. 
  


And the idea of "annoy everyone you know" and "give your personal 
data to unknown companies, without my conscent" is not something 
I readily enjoy. 

even friend lists are limited in length!   basically, the whole UI 
is a disaster.

I'm sure google will do a lot of things better by integrating with 
other google sites like google docs, maps, gmail,  android-things, 
youtube, news etc.

facebook cannot integrate with them easily and they have a loooong 
way to build similar stuff.

Here is a poll result from techtree.com for the question: Will you 
leave Facebook to join Google+?
http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/pollResult.jsp?poll_id=633

I get red/green/blue but no legend...

R = Yes, definitely! [230] [29%]
G =  Yes, but I will continue using Facebook as well [406] [52%]
B = No, I would rather stick with Facebook [147] [19%]

Thanks, that changes the picture

Whoops, I had the wrong group selected. Sorry for the reply in Announce 
- please consider it posted here.

I downloaded the archive before the retraction and it does have very 
recent source files in it ...

Robert - thanks a lot, I really enjoyed run-tests.r3 demo, watching 
how GUI moves around in an automated fashion :-)

Thx. This testing part is absolut fundamental for us. We are constantly 
extending it and will add reports so we see what tests are there, 
what has been coverered etc.

Robert and company. Thank you so much.

Thanks for the report, Anton, correcting the INCLUDE doc.

Oldes, thank you for uploading those.

you are welcome... I just added rectangle-pack script and included 
ImageMagick dependencies which would be needed in some other scripts 
which I use.

Thanks for your diligence on including us in INCLUDE  Ladislav.  
I use it everyday.

I am glad it is of use.

World Programming Language: is that a REBOL clone?

Yes, you can say that. Or a REBOL replacement for some applications, 
where REBOL isn't suited.

Will this language be an open or closed source project?

Geomol, this is your language?

I think not, because - who would come-up with yet another REBOL clone? 
:-)

On the other side - Geomol is fan of various astronomy images, so 
it might be him :-)

Yes, it's mine.

Will this language be an open or closed source project?


Question has been noted. I'll collect questions and make a QA here 
in AltME around release time. The countdown might answer questions 
and/or inspire people for new questions.

Hehe :-) Very little is said, but questions come to mind for sure 
- what is the main target? Is it closer to R2, R3, RED, Topaz architecture?

And of course, very typical question - what was the main montivation, 
aka - why yet another language? :-)

Hmm, so World can be runtime compiled :-)

Geomol, if don't have any other target, why don't you work on Red? 
Or fork a project from Red?

Well, OTOH it is cool to have some options. RED and Topaz are nice 
projects, we will see, what World is all about. Maybe those projects 
can be somehow complementary, who knows ...

It's good to have more options, especially if they have different 
approaches. Topaz is completely different and usable. Red will have 
compile-to-native, fast, run on ARM / Pic etc., R2 is the only one 
stable-enough to use in production in general.

World is written in C. The Red bootstrap is being written in REBOL. 
This may explain why Geomol didn't fork Red.


Boron is written in C but is an evaluator like REBOL rather than 
a JIT compiler.

By the way, Boron is pretty stable though some people find its strict 
left-to-right evaluation frustrating.

I think that if World is a real project, we should make a !World 
group here

I've contacted an adm about that. Shouldn't it be "World" without 
'!', as those are for projects written in REBOL?

Pekr: yep, thats right.

PeterWoo: the important thing is what is the main goal of this project.

Maybe. Anyway - it is a bit confusing name, as we know Altme Worlds. 
Maybe a World language woul be better, but - dunno ...

Only Geomol knows the main goal of his project though I woud guess 
it is not disimilar to that of Boron, Red and Topaz.

Interesting anyway, because Boron is a more classical REBOL (architecture 
wise, and well, just my wild guess), Topaz is very different aproach, 
and RED takes different aproach too. But maybe it was in a making 
even before Topaz and Red were announced, who knows. And maybe it 
is just a hobby project :-)

I don't think that World is a hobby project, it is like Boron, Red 
and Topaz which I believe are being developed to meet the authors 
want for a tool that meets their specific needs.

And was REBOL itself so different?

We don't know anything about a World yet, or do we? :-)

PeterWoo: REBOL is the key to all others. The red pill. The root 
of all :)
Pekr: Nope, we don't at all. We need to wait for Geomol.