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Graham, the overview was mainly so I had a single page linking to 
documentation :-)

http://www.rebol.com/purchase.htmlgives you links to datasheets 
on each product

I meant links to the docs (Library docs, Sound docs, call docs, encryption 
docs)

oy. Or I could have just scrolled down the page on http://www.rebol.com/docs-view.html

I am very silly sometimes.

Volker, is that spell check different from the one on developer ?

No, only more public.

ah... wonderful news to wake up to :-)

I heard somewhere that REBOL LNS takes up 24 kb of source code

is that true?

Well, I am not sure how well RT did their homework? ;-) Users asked 
to coordinate PR activity, LNS announced, /Coop only planned, no 
real stuff to try and links on announcement page are broken, oh my 
;-)

Well, I am not sure how well RT did their homework? ;-) Users asked 
to coordinate PR activity, LNS announced, /Coop only planned, no 
real stuff to try and links on announcement page are broken, oh my 
;-)

yeah, you can say that again :-)

posted in bold ... as I think about it, someone should try to call 
RT and notify them of broken links before Carl leaves on trip, or 
the announcement is not usable ...

what broken link ?

all links ... on the left side ...

go to rebol.com announcement page ...

Ahh... all in the wrong directory

If that will not be corrected it is "a bit" weird to spread announcement 
around ...

I don't really understand why Carl can't stay connected no matter 
when he is ... it's just a question of either a laptop with roaming 
services, or, an internet cafe.  I see that the pages now have a 
[edit] link on the bottom too.

I imagine it's a "choice" to be offline. I know how *my* wife feels 
about things like that. :-)

24 kb of source code?  Wow - thats technically very impressive, but 
it doesnt help in marketing when you compare a .NET install of 1 
CD or Visual Studio .NET 3CDs and about 40 minutes of effort. Perhaps 
RT needs to pad it out to give it that weight of credibility.

I don't know if it's true, I think I read it somewhere. I can't remember 
if it was here or somwhere else, but Carl did say something about 
the size of it

http://www.rebol.net/article/0127.html<--- the power of search

ah... well, it's only the client part. boo. :-)

colin, perhaps it would fit with a deployment scenario. compare installing 
visual studio in 40 minutes to just clicking an .exe file from a 
network share to install your rebol/services enabled source management 
client plus integrated texteditor in four seconds.

Colin, sadly there may be some truth to what you say :o(

At least coders are very easy to persuade. I created a graphical 
Windows CD menu for a coder in about 10 minutes using Rebol/View 
and Payload from scratch. Before that, he had no idea if he'd need 
to use Visual Studio for that and spend a week on it. An argument 
here: "It allows you to get your job done."

that said, I did submit the news of REBOL LNS to a Danish newssite. 
Of course they ignored it.

Hm, our Syllable convention was reported on a Danish site, and it 
immediately spawned what I called an ABS movement (Anything But Syllable) 
in which every imaginable operating system was mentioned as an alternative, 
instead of responding to the subject. There could easily be an Anything 
But REBOL movement, as well...

that I would like to see, just for the fun of shooting it down, but 
the news editors didn't even promote my submission to a news item.

You can't shoot it down; it's not rational :-/

Rebol is about the technology. Success or failure in the market is 
about the marketing. Marketing is about perception. People who make 
buy decisions are not technically in the know, so its a percption 
game. Even if the facts fly in the face of what they espouse to be 
right, they will fall back to the idea that "the bigger the better". 
You have to counter that concept and still not have the technology 
written off as a "nice trick" or "toy technology".

guys, that is completly unrealistic as 1) RT's site simply sucks 
2) Announcement page contains broken links 3) It is still kind of 
vaporware announcement like Amiga Inc. did and bad habit of RT - 
announcing things BEFORE they are ready 4) if it would be ready, 
there should be some thought out code/service examples on-line, with 
real-life functionality exposed, so actually ppl could try something 
usefull 5) What is Scot doing as marketing manager if the position 
still exists? RT just can't mean it that way, right? Producing ultra 
cool sw will not help you, if not marketed properly, at least here 
in Europe

I am sorry to post in bold, but I feel so strong about my opinion, 
that I simply want it being noticed here ...

has anyone seen any articles about LNS on any news sites by now?

no, as Carl said he leaves for a trip and asked us to do so ;-)

I mean - to spread a word ...

I would have thought it'd be on OSNews by now

OSNews? They are somehow ignorant. I personally sent Eugenia Czech 
security expert achievment, where he compromited MD5 even further, 
but they did not report it ...

And as I said - some real service example should be provided - as 
someone mentioned in other channel - why not to wrap just simple 
"Hello word"?

Pekr regarding announcements I think you are right. Thats what happen 
to the osx/view version almost 2 years ago.

I agree on this. it would be wiser to wait until we can show screenshots 
of REBOL/Coop, even if it only would be 3 weeks away

and language components - do you remember? It was there just to distract 
ppl from R# back at that time imo, it was even removed rom announcement 
page later ;-)

rom=from

Agree totally Pekr. This altme world is about technical achievements 
and possibilities of Rebol. No debate about how good it can be, but 
there isn't any cohesive marketing going on. No blogging, no search 
engine strategies, no PR announcements to the right people, a dearth 
of both Rebol powered products and even the experts are crying out 
for some basic stuff to be fixed.  My guess is that even the rebol 
evangelists use it as "secret weapon" so that they don't get told 
to put their toys away and get back to real languages like C++ or 
Java. [off soapbox]

Pekr, what is proper marketing? Its a very difficult issue.. but 
you know that i assume.. I dont know what the difference is between 
europe and the rest of the world but I do know that it succes depends 
for 90% on "Accepted Vision of the product!" by the public (Public 
can be anything..) One thing is sure , Rebol is still its time ahead 
with many things and thats a disadvantage currently because of the 
mis-intepreted use of Rebol by the rest of the world. (thats what 
i think). Still i think the RT is overflowed by exciting and needed 
to publish towards the community "some" release. But i could be very 
wrong here as well because i only observe Rebol marketing from a 
birdview..

Rebolinth - all true. But release to the community should not apper 
on the website. TLA was not consulted. Carl could easily told us 
his choice and let us check. Now Ladislav posted link, which could 
make alredy announced TLA unusable ...

proper marketing

 - I too don't know what to do exactly, but I do know, that such things 
 do take time. I would start defining - WHAT I want to say, to WHO 
 I want to say it, and I woudl start with new website ...

What is "proper Marketing" - here is a hint. All the Rebol sites 
turn up top positions in google when you look for "rebol".  Problem 
is nobody is really looking for "rebol".

Yes you are right, though i think Carl or RT had a special meaning 
with it.. Im not sure what but it even could be used for money founders, 
or prerelease of even more software?...