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Graham 31-Mar-2005 [422] | no matter, if it's Danish, I won't be able to read it! |
Henrik 31-Mar-2005 [423] | :-) well, it's newz.dk |
Henrik 2-Apr-2005 [424x2] | so far so good... only twelve comments, but some are quite funny with people displaying disbelief that it's possible to do all that in one language. |
words like "too incredible" and "spooky" (rough translation) pop up :-) | |
Maxim 3-Apr-2005 [426x7] | about the release thing. That is what I have learned in the last year. I am much less visible, but am doing more behind the scene. I only hint at what I am doing these days, with the people part of some of the projects more aware. |
Its hard to keep the mouth shut when its exciting, but its easier on the nerves and its also easier to change the priorites as they evolve without getting too much negative feedback. | |
rebol is an integrated solution. NO OTHER LANGUAGE is soo integrated a part for java, and IMHO just because its much more mature. Managing databases, GUI, Image processing, drawing, doing cgi scripting, out of the box), working on direct tcp port in 1-2 lines of code, mails, and all of this in ONE no-install 500k file! | |
IMHO managers want solutions which solve their dept. needs. but they don't really care about other depts. so what happens (in all companies I've worked at) is that you end up having upwards to 6-10 different applications working in parralel with duplicated (and usually out of sync) data. | |
but many CTOs don't realise that the dept. sync issues is THE biggest problem. tools can be all powerfull, but if your stuck with the data, or have to use a stupid Excel sheet to share it... then you've just reduce your tool's effectiveness by a large proportion. | |
IOS helps, but the actuall applications aren't very powerfull or compelling yet. and when dealing with large companies which focus on tool sets, they don't see the benefit of having all the data available as one pool of data. So the IOS demo is a tough one IMHO. | |
I'm taking big apps btw, things like real large project planning/scheduling for costing, with statistics. Asset tracking, production control, support softwares with integrated tickets, reports, knowledge base, performance ratings, bug mining, etc... IOS just doesn't cut it when people have large apps which ARE usefull... at some point, large is not always bloat. | |
[unknown: 5] 3-Apr-2005 [433] | The web still drives some major application development. The company I work for has now switched to a ticketing system (for technical support) to a web based application. The application is able to be access remotely via portal mobile devices. However the application is very cumbersome and adds to the costs the customer must pay in the long run. |
Louis 11-Apr-2005 [434] | Thanks Volker for the editor. I'll definately be studying your code. Looks nice. |
shadwolf 12-Apr-2005 [435] | nice volker MDP-GUI needs find / highligt and replace/hightligt systeme ;) |
[unknown: 5] 19-Apr-2005 [436] | More mac's in Carl's basement - hmmmm sounds like another of Carl's big relic sales is coming soon ;-) |
shadwolf 19-Apr-2005 [437] | Carl I give your information on mac OSX to french community here they are waiting for a mac OSX version since long time :) |
Geomol 19-Apr-2005 [438] | That REBOL on OS X news is great news, from my point of view!!! Now I can't think of any other argument for not getting a Mac! :-) Quite a few of my friends invest in a new Mac these days, mostly portables. |
Allen 19-Apr-2005 [439] | I'm just waiting for OSX Tiger release & the updated models (Australian release date April 29th ! ) |
Ashley 19-Apr-2005 [440] | Ditto. I'll be replacing my office and home PC's with Mac minis once 10.4 is out. |
[unknown: 5] 19-Apr-2005 [441x2] | I took some mac training about 6 months ago from the company but the macs faded out when they thought they were going to deploy more. I have come to learn something about the platforms. If you don't get the big consulting firms to push the other platforms then the other platforms will never dominate the corporate desktop market. |
Working as field technical support we see and feel the process that drives platform choice. Its all about Common Operating Environments and it takes more than just fancy features. It takes a robust support framework designed around a productive platform to break the hold of companies like Microsoft Dell and Intel partnerships. | |
shadwolf 19-Apr-2005 [443x4] | Microsoft dell and intel are hudge companies because they share the market. It's not the same for apple (witch was saved by microsoft in 1996 ...) . When Apple, sun, or amiga design a new system they design all the hardware and the OS and the developers tools (or they help another company to handle this task) as they are alone to make in line this new solution they will produce to a more expansive cost. This will dynamicly brings down the amount they can sell. That's not a new issue that strategy was thinked in the very begin of MS Windows OS. In front of MAchintosh how could MS apport a more competive solution (hardware more cheep but having a more attractiv price than what was planned by Apple ...). |
today you enter a secretary office there is windows XP every where you enter a publisher/graphist maker you have apple every where? As there is less publisher than secretary this explain as a short cut why there is sutch difference. When you enter a astronom office you have sun Sparc every where. As you get less astronom than plublisher you understand the difference betwin Apple and Sun :). Some people needs simplicity of use others need fiability of use. Then you have the rounding industry those building the sourrounded technologies in all cases they need to sell a lot this explain for example why a comon SONY MP3 sevice came with drivers to plug it to a PC equiped with windows and why they not giving apps and drvers to handle it under linux and unix. | |
As every one (non ingeneer ) needs simple systems they adopt windows in majority more as Sony MP3 devices are designed to be used in the simpliest way this explain why people focus on windows this is part of it's actual success but this not means that windows is the best system this not means too that the other existing systems are not relevant :) | |
for example here in france macs are pretty well implented in university because they are simple to manage in hight number. In hoght schools you get windows but you get lesser computer to manage (In my hight school in 1997 they was only 30 computers equiped with windows with a controled acces for the students you can use it only on certain days of the weeks durring a gived time. When I ingress to university they was 200 macs for every one to use every time 100 windows pc to be used on restricted time and 20 Alphas/linux debian + 10 Sillicon graphics 02 with IRIX + 3 data severs (2 sun ultra 1 (X11 sharing) + 1 dec 50 (NFS, mail, web ) + 40 Xteminal box for former computer ingeneer ) MAc and PC was used for office application LINUX/UNIX computers was used to form computer ingeneer .This shows pretty well I think the world clivage in informatic :) | |
shadwolf 7-May-2005 [447] | EfishAnt lot of capabilities in nano-sheets I like ver mutch the presentation article |
eFishAnt 7-May-2005 [448x3] | Thanks, Gregg did a lot of writing. Nice collaboration, using all REBOL tools. |
(Gregg did a lot of scripting, too) | |
They let us do the sidebar, which should get some publicity for "why REBOL? | |
Gregg 8-Jun-2005 [451] | Kru and Christian -- Both excellent! |
ChristianE 8-Jun-2005 [452] | Thank you very much, Gregg! I just uploaded a version with menu-bar style included, hope you'll like that one too :-) |
shadwolf 11-Jun-2005 [453x2] | very great great news that the version 1.3 is out and that it's quality is very high !!!! |
A million thank to all the people involveed to the 1.3 procession 1.3 is the best of ever REBOL virtual machine ;) | |
MikeJ 11-Jun-2005 [455] | From the opinion of a casual developer: I just downloaded 1.3 and played around with the demos. I have to say that I'm really impressed and that I think this release strengthens REBOL quite a bit. Congratulations, and thanks for all the hard work to all of those involved. |
Pekr 11-Jun-2005 [456x4] | Yes, demos are really nice, except Caluclator and maybe even Easy Vid, which is cool, but would deserve a bit more fresh look :-) |
My old time friend, who tried to use rebol some few years ago, left it because of following reasons - weak View documentation, incomplete styleset, occassional View crashes. He complained about missing styles mainly, as as a newbie, he was not able to produce his own styles. He tried to look into styles source, but all those mysterious "init" and other things, you will agree - are not for newbies to start with. Then I digged out one old doc from my archive, basically describing View-without-VID - faces, events, their description etc. He then started to create his own styles, without VID. Then he left rebol..... | |
He tried to give a try to other environments, as Delphi etc., but he missed the beauty and freedom of rebol, forever :-) | |
So he is active for last few months once again, and once I pointed him to latest betas, it really made his day. | |
eFishAnt 11-Jun-2005 [460] | maybe you made his life. |
Pekr 11-Jun-2005 [461] | But once again I think, that from newbie rebol coder perspective, the most important things which should follow is - additional, more complex styles, docs, and SDK featuring latest developments. Hopefully we will get there soon, but we are almost there with 1.3 - good work was done! |
ChristianE 11-Jun-2005 [462] | It let's you have menus in VID. Menu-bar and others. |
Graham 11-Jun-2005 [463] | The demo does nothing |
ChristianE 11-Jun-2005 [464] | Calling it "System" is propably hype ;-) |
Graham 11-Jun-2005 [465x2] | none of the buttons respond |
using >> system/version == 1.2.125.3.1 | |
ChristianE 11-Jun-2005 [467] | Any error messages? |
Graham 11-Jun-2005 [468x2] | nope |
no menus appear | |
ChristianE 11-Jun-2005 [470] | And you have both files in the same dir? |
Graham 11-Jun-2005 [471] | the menu-system is local, and the demo is remote |
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