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It's hobbistic only. And it took quite some time.

your menu design is new, or Cyphre menu based?

I'm not into optimising for now I'd like to get the script refactored 
first and then profile a bit.

Actually I *tried* understanding what Cyphre did, but ...

I don't know if it is usefull to have sliders in there, but what 
happens if menu is larger than app window, or app window is near 
screen-face border? Will menu wrap to the other side then? What happens 
if you resize main window etc?

No, that's not my league, so based on Cyphre's script I tried my 
own. Actually, no single line left from the inspiration source.

slow? Hmm, I have 1.8, 256MB WinXP and nothing like that?

I spend a whole day with trying to put the menu into real windows. 
Didn't get that right ...

Actually, for each window open Windows put a window icon into the 
task-bar. And currently, I think, you can't monitor the mouse ouside 
of REBOL windows without library calls. Hence the scrolling menus 
*in* the window.

it takes almost a second for any any menu to display and if you run 
your mouse up the menu then any submenus display so it takes 2-3 
seconds for it to pop up each submenu in this demo and then have 
it go away before I can do anything with the rest of the application. 
 Kinda reminisent of javascript menus...

Javascript, uh? No, I don't see that here on 1,5 Ghz Centrino 512 
MB WinXP

It's resonable fast, but as I've said, I'm optimising later.

Actually Ammon it is strange, I would expect at least some minor 
delays, as was case with older Mozillas, but 1GHz 512MB vs 1.8GHz 
256MB is not all that faster, and mine works so fast, that it is 
blink of an eye. Really I can call it realtime ...

ChristianE: Cyphre solved even following case - ability of menu to 
display on left or on right, depending if menu can fit the window 
or no. Ability to react for resizing (not sure about that one), but 
he used the same engine for context menu (right mouse button click). 
Otherwise - VERY good work. No problem with speed here. I will try 
tomorrow on P650, 256MB, W95 machine ...

How many applications do you have running?  I'm the ultimate multi-tasker... 
 If I'm going to use the application more than once in a day I like 
to leave it running so my current memory usage (without having his 
script launched) is over the amount of RAM that is available to me 
(I'm runnning some server applications on this here development machine.) 
so it is prolly my fault. ;~>

As for resizing: I'd like to leave that untouched until some standard 
resizing schemes available for REBOL. Currently there are the two 
approaches of Romano and Cyphre, I'm a little bit in favor of Romano's 
one, but that isn't finished work, it doesn't run with newer rebols.

Not too many apps here, though.

how large is the style in KB?

Pekr, left/right opening depending on windows borders in build in.

Context menus: The same. I'm uncertain how Cyphre's screen regions 
approach handles nested, resizable layouts ...

The style is huge (75 KB well documented source, so have of it is 
propably comments and doc strings, tabs and spaces ;-)

Hi chris  I'm joining the conversation ;)

Hi shadwolf!

Ammon - if we are talking about Rebol and multitasking, I think Rebol 
is really weak here.. I know some ppl will not agree with me, but 
something is weird. Go to desktop and run separately Bubbles and 
then Particles demos. Then run them both at once. Even if they try 
to use high refresh ratio, imo it should not slow that much. And 
both demos do use separate rebol processess, imo something is wrong. 
I can run 5x video, mp3s and no apps slows down so significantly 
...

have = half

maybe we should move from ann-reply?

well indeed what I think is that you menu posibilities are great 
but this kind of freaky thing must be part of a more complete solution 
(more thinked and more optimized !!))

Yeah, to View?

but fortunatly you are not alone ;)

Christian - I like menus with small arrows the most :-) It looks 
really system friendly and if you reach screen size limit on Y axis, 
you correctly disply arrows - very nice. I am full for automaticion. 
That is why I alway wanted area to have automatic scrolling!

I by myself about 3 month later make a port of the cyphre menu for 
rebgui so we can now that AGG is officially involve Cyphre into an 
optimization process to achive in short code a as flexible and advanced 
menu in term of design ;)

Let's move to VIEW group.

Pekr yes auto matic scrlling is one of the capabilities ;)

Pekr: Area with automatic scrolling. What do you mean ?  While selecting 
text by mouse ?

I yes, there is area-scroll-style demo in the library http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=area-scroll-style.r

It's fairly a demo because it works on most version. But it would 
be smaller for 1.3 (as there is patch in it for old versions).

DideC: look at Cyphre's styles. Simply put - are without scrollers 
does NOT make any sense from functionality pov. And why should programmer 
care about providing scrollers and doing recalculations?

The thing is - even Carl admited, it is usefull, but because of compatibility 
to old scripts, we can't have a change, becaue you would get scrollers 
two times ...

Witch script (there is a lot) ?

In my area, you have to write:
layout [area-scroll hscroll vscroll]

to have both scrollers. Without 'hscroll 'vscroll, it's an area, 
so compatible.

You can try directly mine by:

do http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=area-scroll-style.r

Use the button to compute the facets you want, then "Show the Result" 
button to see what it give.

Just wanted to say thanks to Carl and the rest of the REBOLers that 
helped with 1.3 and the community for there feedback and support. 
 Good Job!

Carl, just a thought (and see what others think) -- it's a little 
odd looking at the messages with newest on top.  Another suggestion 
would be to do newest at bottom and put an anchor at the end so that 
incoming links start reading the page at the bottom to mirror the 
AltME view...

REBOL/View 1.3 for OS X! This is a big day!!! :-) Even if it's an 
alpha. Now I only miss one thing, before I can move my development 
entirely away from Windows, and that is AltME. :-)

1.3 linux? what? running..

:-) I also hope we get answer to font situation rather quickly ... 
hopefully, as Jaime mentioned, it will be FreeType ....

works here! at least i can use forall again! :)

is it more complete than OSX? So timers, etc. work? Can you run desktop 
demos?

yes. but they had that all the time. timers are related to gui, and 
that is different on OS/X.

this would be the right place to congratulate Robert :-)