World: r3wp

A lot of the docs are copyright RT are they not though ?

that's what I'm figuring... but I don't know if it hurts to try a 
slightly different approach than the manuals do: try to explain how 
the language works, that you have an executable, a console, the desktop, 
the various products and you do this and that to run REBOL programs.

at least I think that'sa basic: what do you do to run REBOL programs?

I've worked with Wikipedia for about an hour now and it's very nice 
to work in. Layout is fairly automatic and easy to learn.

Good work!

Maybe there's something I can contribute to the wikibook

just fill stuff in if you can. I'm not going to write more today, 
so feel free to mess around. :-)

is it possible to create a wikibook group?

Very nice Henrik.

Yes Henrik, quite nice.

a few US cities are bicycle non-hostile, here in Eugene, Oregon where 
I bike most every day of the year is one of them.

Cool Romano, will have to check out Anamonitor 3 and latest ATCP 
sometime.

Congratulations on the French Core guide!

Graham, COMLib.r creates a routine with a callback in it. This limits 
the number of times COMLib.r can be run in a rebol session (ie. the 
console) to 6 (crashes on the 7th). Are you experiencing any "root 
block overflow" crashes ? (I imagine you are encapping it all.)

Nice simple EMR website, by the way.

Just noticed callback crash is fixed in rambo. So it should not be 
a problem soon. :)

Anton ... no, I just usually only call comlib just once.  I must 
try it out calling it 6 times :(

website is simple as that's all I am capable of doing :(

I love it nice and simple like that ! Quick to load, doesn't need 
any fancy features... :)

and doesn't overload my head with yet more custom graphics, formatting, 
fonts and text that keeps changing its position as it loads.

So maybe it was unintentional but you made a very robust website.

In that case, we'll have to thank Max's Remark ... of which I used 
a pre-release version :)

Cool Graham

Pekr: "I don't mean action as looking into source, etc., that is 
a good part .... but simply prerequisite is to have installed View 
anyway, then download your .exe, put it somewhere, link to it etc."

I think this things can be made more automatic. My idea is integrating 
this launch-way into rebol. Mainly beeing able to launch index.r, 
and working in the right folder.

carl, is Rebcode allowed?

hmm... wouldn't this be a neat marketing thing? If the iPod thing 
is serious, it could be posted on larger newssites, or is that inappropriate?

The iPod would certainly get students' attention.  But the Imagination 
and Cyphre demos posted there might throw them off..

Carl wrote:

Q: "So, what should be the rules? "

A: Let's lock these down as fast as possible.  It would be great 
to post this in 2005.

Q: "Perhaps a limit on the size of the script."


A: I would like to suggest it has to be a free standing script (not 
a script that grabs other scripts, or other media.  Given AGG, I 
would like to suggest 32K (32,768 bytes) total.  It can be in multiple 
files, but the combined total must not exceed this.  Compatible with 
Rebol View 1.3.


Q: "It needs to be fast to download. We can setup a demo upload/download 
area on the View desktop."


A: I suggest not doing this, but rather put this on a public website. 
 We are trying to invite new developers, the less steps the better. 
 A copy can be on the view Desktop though.


Q: "So, what deadline date? Early January? Before students return 
to school." 


A: I vote the contest ends Dec 31st 11:59.59 (this should be 11:59.60 
but Rebol has a bug representing leap seconds, which happens this 
year).


Q: Who should judge the winner? Vote of the REBOL community or RT 
worldwide staff?


A: I think the people giving the prizes should not do the voting. 
 I can suggest using someone more famous, I can get one of my friends 
like Charles Fleischer the comedian to vote, or better David Brin 
(author of Earth, the postman, Transparent Society), they would both 
enjoy doing the voting I suspect.  


Lastly, I would like to offer the following:  Prolific will put up 
a brand new Xbox 360 (when available).


Instead of having a first and second place, rather, both can pick 
which prize they want.  


So the award wording would be "Win your choice of an Apple iPod video, 
or a Microsoft Xbox 360.  Awarded to the first and second place winners."


Third place should be a choice between SDK license, or Command (and 
in fact, the first and second place winners could chose these as 
well).

:-)

Iztaka: "Cyphre" demo is only 2kB so you cannot expect miracles. 
In more space is posible to do more things and 32kB is really HUGE 
script.  http://krutek.info/rebol/demonica-player.r

Huge script (but remember, it has to include all media)

but can it be compressed with COMPRESS ?

Sure.  I would not respect anyone that did not!

(My actual specialty happens to be compression technologies)

Good suggestions. Nice color too.

All sounds good, with exception of the XBox prize. I heard "things" 
about the company that makes it. ;)

I could suggest a MacMini (but then the winner also gets to finish 
porting REBOL to it).

LOL

No problem :)

Kru - I was referring to how complex they look while running, not 
the size (or actual complexity) of the code
^_^

A few rebol promo items like t-shirts should be in the mix too.

Agreed.

I have original Rebol flags (desktop size).  I will throw one in 
to the 4rth and 5th place winners. : )

If its a mac mini i learn graphics..

I would use seperate sizes for media and script. script maybe 8k? 
its a demo, and a month. media should be more. because one feature 
is, take a photo and do crazy things with it. a photo in 32k is not 
much. a script of 32k takes some month work (its a demo, so it should 
be "this does in 32k what others do in 32k*8, and that kind of compression 
takes time)

How about not only graphics demos, but networking too? Once there 
was a contest for a mud (text-moorg) in 16k, and some entries where 
playable and interesting they said.

And there should be multiple levels, best guru, best beginner, so 
students have more hope. (and i am a graphics-beginner, so - Ha! 
;)

how about word-length? if size is limited, demos become: insert d 
a: b + c. a low limit, medium length 3-5 chars?

Compress should deal with word length.