World: r3wp

Pekr: "I don't mean action as looking into source, etc., that is 
a good part .... but simply prerequisite is to have installed View 
anyway, then download your .exe, put it somewhere, link to it etc."

I think this things can be made more automatic. My idea is integrating 
this launch-way into rebol. Mainly beeing able to launch index.r, 
and working in the right folder.

carl, is Rebcode allowed?

hmm... wouldn't this be a neat marketing thing? If the iPod thing 
is serious, it could be posted on larger newssites, or is that inappropriate?

The iPod would certainly get students' attention.  But the Imagination 
and Cyphre demos posted there might throw them off..

Carl wrote:

Q: "So, what should be the rules? "

A: Let's lock these down as fast as possible.  It would be great 
to post this in 2005.

Q: "Perhaps a limit on the size of the script."


A: I would like to suggest it has to be a free standing script (not 
a script that grabs other scripts, or other media.  Given AGG, I 
would like to suggest 32K (32,768 bytes) total.  It can be in multiple 
files, but the combined total must not exceed this.  Compatible with 
Rebol View 1.3.


Q: "It needs to be fast to download. We can setup a demo upload/download 
area on the View desktop."


A: I suggest not doing this, but rather put this on a public website. 
 We are trying to invite new developers, the less steps the better. 
 A copy can be on the view Desktop though.


Q: "So, what deadline date? Early January? Before students return 
to school." 


A: I vote the contest ends Dec 31st 11:59.59 (this should be 11:59.60 
but Rebol has a bug representing leap seconds, which happens this 
year).


Q: Who should judge the winner? Vote of the REBOL community or RT 
worldwide staff?


A: I think the people giving the prizes should not do the voting. 
 I can suggest using someone more famous, I can get one of my friends 
like Charles Fleischer the comedian to vote, or better David Brin 
(author of Earth, the postman, Transparent Society), they would both 
enjoy doing the voting I suspect.  


Lastly, I would like to offer the following:  Prolific will put up 
a brand new Xbox 360 (when available).


Instead of having a first and second place, rather, both can pick 
which prize they want.  


So the award wording would be "Win your choice of an Apple iPod video, 
or a Microsoft Xbox 360.  Awarded to the first and second place winners."


Third place should be a choice between SDK license, or Command (and 
in fact, the first and second place winners could chose these as 
well).

:-)

Iztaka: "Cyphre" demo is only 2kB so you cannot expect miracles. 
In more space is posible to do more things and 32kB is really HUGE 
script.  http://krutek.info/rebol/demonica-player.r

Huge script (but remember, it has to include all media)

but can it be compressed with COMPRESS ?

Sure.  I would not respect anyone that did not!

(My actual specialty happens to be compression technologies)

Good suggestions. Nice color too.

All sounds good, with exception of the XBox prize. I heard "things" 
about the company that makes it. ;)

I could suggest a MacMini (but then the winner also gets to finish 
porting REBOL to it).

LOL

No problem :)

Kru - I was referring to how complex they look while running, not 
the size (or actual complexity) of the code
^_^

A few rebol promo items like t-shirts should be in the mix too.

Agreed.

I have original Rebol flags (desktop size).  I will throw one in 
to the 4rth and 5th place winners. : )

If its a mac mini i learn graphics..

I would use seperate sizes for media and script. script maybe 8k? 
its a demo, and a month. media should be more. because one feature 
is, take a photo and do crazy things with it. a photo in 32k is not 
much. a script of 32k takes some month work (its a demo, so it should 
be "this does in 32k what others do in 32k*8, and that kind of compression 
takes time)

How about not only graphics demos, but networking too? Once there 
was a contest for a mud (text-moorg) in 16k, and some entries where 
playable and interesting they said.

And there should be multiple levels, best guru, best beginner, so 
students have more hope. (and i am a graphics-beginner, so - Ha! 
;)

how about word-length? if size is limited, demos become: insert d 
a: b + c. a low limit, medium length 3-5 chars?

Compress should deal with word length.

good point.

How about an old good amiga too? Or this newer one, (genesis?)

I vote keep it simple, and based on the feedback of this one, we 
step it up a notch next year, which can be the day after if we get 
our asses in gear and post this ASAP! LOL

Gel is 1346 bytes and the images 25k

I think 32kB all together is good. Remember that some Amiga demos 
were only 4kB with sound and graphics!

if i trade 8 k in resolution for 8k in script-size i double my script-size. 
i do not like that.

If I remember correctly, demo categories were 4k, 64k and mega-demo 
(unlimited size). Maybe for next demo contest we can have  these 
categories but this year I prefer to stick with 32k. I wonder if 
rebcode can be used or not. Although I love rebcode, it's still only 
in alpha, so it seems to be more fair when rebcode is not allowed.

Not sure If anyone mentioned it. THe demoshould run on View 1.3.2 
so NO rebcode...(this is confirmed by Carl)

OK, so 1) Is there a web site set up for the RDC yet? 2) The deadline 
is 31-12/11:59:59. Is it GMT? 3) I hope that 32kB limitaion is final. 
Is that true? 3) Will the submited demos be available publicly before 
deadline? (I vote no). Hm, I've got only 14 days left. I should better 
hurry up ;)

I think that is the beauty of this challenge.


How little time (and code) allows u to create something wonderful..

Deadline should be GMT = 0!  As in England.

I agree demos can't be seen before deadline, but  we can post past 
demos.

I'm going to try to work with Carl to buld a clear page (on Rebol.com 
I hope).

I liked idea of a an ongoing weekly comp.. like back in 1999 http://web.archive.org/web/19991013041056/rebol.com/contest.html
. Haven't found the how to enter page though.

Agreed, Allen

I think there are better things we can do with our time.

Gregg's response to the OSX widgets thread on the maling list suggests 
another possibility.

If RT were to create a dashboard, the community could create the 
widgets for this .. either as a weekly or monthly competition.

we would have to have some security guides as to what we can do, 
and for safetely RT could host the accepted widgets.

This would be a much more useful activity that demos that only provide 
eye candy.

Achieve both aims in one go.

I think RDC should be announced on ML as well. But by someone more 
official than me :)

In essence the dashboard could be a custom version of the Rebol Desktop.

It sounds very much to me, or hasn't used Konfabulator etc, that 
is what it is anyway.

There is typo on the Rebol License page (mentioned is one of Carl's 
blogs ....) .... under the section for Rebol IOS , the text says 
Rebol/SDK is not free, rather that Rebol/IOS is not free..