World: r3wp

a nowhere threat

Do you think that I need to be present on forum, where I am accused 
of some adhering to rules, because someone just thinks that something 
gone wrong?

I will not buy such crap as that this world consumes some bandwidth

there aren't many viable alternatives for rebol + misc chat

what are custom groups for then? Reichart said it right - we can 
have private groups. I am OK with what e.g. Terry is all about here. 
No problem on my side. I don't need to read it, if I don't want to. 
We can go to some private group if we wish to.

flaws in Altme's design is part of the problem

Graham - I don't care - but who gave Gregg the right to try to correct 
our behavior here?

I don't care and I don't talk about Altme flaw here

I suspect he has been asked to do the dirty work ... part of the 
world master job description

I talk about repetitive attitude of Gregg of trying to normalize 
our speach here

If so, I will not be here ... enjoy your world here then

Perhaps we could create a group with a list of the off topic groups, 
their respective descriptions and moderators.  If someone is interested 
in an off topic group then they can apply for membership to the moderator 
of the group.

Or, we can move off topic chat to rebol-world, and use this world 
just for tech support

In my opinion, all that stuff is plain nonsense. I lived 6 long years 
on IRC forums. Although there were OPs, I never seen something like 
that

I will move to rebol-world then

never going to please everyone .. and since there are no real moderation 
mechanisms .. there are always going to be problems

This would allow those of us who like an odd discussion now and then 
to be able to see the "off topic" groups and join or not as we choose.

I would suspect Gregg is acting on his own and no one I have met 
at RT would ask anybody to do their dirty work

I can't see Greggs reactions as consistent. I think that such discussions 
are self-regulatory. Once there is new development (e.g. View 1.3), 
ppl will automatically keep the topic. But once there is nearly nothing 
happening, I can see no reason why to limit whatever topic discussion 
out ...

yeah .. nothing is happening again, and so .. idle hands do the work 
of the devil

I am free to talk whatever topic with Terry even if I know that he 
has diametrically different understanding of religion, whatever

I think that "almost dead" world is worse than world keeping ppl 
to even the most stuping topic you could imagine ;-)

Gregg is on dial up .. I guess dial up users get annoyed when after 
the syncing they do, all they find is alt.religion !

that wouls do it

I am on GPRS at work, slower than dial-up actually, and never found 
a problem with Altme ;-)

does altme sync groups you opt out of .. I wonder ...

not sure, I never opted myself out of some group ...

Any conversation in the world in my opinion is a good thing.  It 
keeps me coming back knowing that the regulars are around throughout 
the day.  Sometimes there is a gem, sometimes off topic chat.  But 
I know someone is here.  If I have a question, I know people will 
see it if placed in the proper group.

a static world is death .. like an unchanging website

For instance, two questions today for Ammon re: his drop-down.r - 
both answered within minutes.  Other Rebol related questions go no 
longer than a day if it is general enough.  That is VALUE.

Exactly/

and the cost is .. some noise

x-internet noise  ;)

(very low bandwidth)

I've never heard Carl ask us to keep to rebol topics .. so if we 
stick to the topic no one should really have much to complain about

All RT related topics for user help etc are already in REBOL group. 
 The others are obviously not specific to Rebol.

I thought the ML was the technical / support forum?

It likely is from the RT perspective - but I know where I am going 
to go to get my questions answered if I need a timely response.

I belive  RT thinks that email is dead,  but since  not everyone 
understands it they still have to support it.

Brian '== is exactly equals, but equal? and = are equivalent except 
the latter is faster

ohh, thanks Graham

Graham: Is '== the operator for 'strict-equal? then?

yes .. http://www.rebol.com/docs/words/weqeq.html

Thanks. That reminds me, I meant to mention 'help in this chapter. 
Maybe I should work back it into the first chapter.

Ashley: your wellcome for your consern but in fact integrating your 
new engine from MDViewer only takes my 2-3 hours ( in fact i spent 
more time like 10 hours to try to mixe both method has it wasn't 
has performant has your rendering full engine I cleared the mixed 
one and retake as it MD-Viewer engine then I adpat it to MDP standars 
) Now MDP-GUI has a super fast rendering engine like MDViewer (Ineed 
to enhance the speed of the toc window rendering that the only slowing 
remaining step). Another time what a work you made as  I trully knows 
it intimely (because of the work needed to integrate it to MDP-GUI) 
I can say that in front the previous rendering method you made really 
a ART WORK it's clear it's tiny it's easy to understand :)

andit's trully performant ;)

one of the diffrence with "normal" MDP doc is that the toc is shown 
into a sépareted window. By click on entries into this window you 
scroll the preview panel content to the related section

Oh boy. 


First, I *have* been contacted to ask if I could take certain actions, 
but not by RT. RT made me a world master here, which *I* consider 
to be form of moderator (with the main task being to assign and maintain 
accounts), though there is not a definite job description sitting 
on my desk. Now, I am also a regular user in this world, and there 
are definitely conflicts for me WRT those positions.


As I've said before, I enjoy a good chat as much as anyone, and I 
*don't* want to censor people here, but that may be necessary at 
some point, wouldn't you agree? If someone were quite obviously, 
in the opinion of 99.9% of the people here, abusive, rude, offensive, 
etc. should they be allowed to run rampant and ruin this world for 
everyone else? I don't think so; maybe you do.


When I joined the REBOL community, one of the main attractions was 
the high level of mutual respect, the generosity towards newcomers, 
and the complete *lack* of the venom you sometimes see unleashed 
in other language communities. *That* is what kept *me* coming back. 
The more argumentative discussions and personal jibes people see, 
the less likely they are to post, IME, because they don't want to 
be attacked themselves and if that's the tone they often see, it's 
what they will expect. 


When it comes to content, as a world master and a user *I* think 
that *most* channels here *should* be REBOL related. The world is 
called "REBOL", and I think RT created and sponsors it for the REBOL 
community. That's my view; that's how I view the ML as well. There 
are probably at least 20-25 non-REBOL, non-Technical groups here 
now; that's quite a lot IMO. There are times that I would really 
like to clean this world up a bit, and as a user I could, but as 
a world master I don't feel that I can because someone will complain 
that I'm trying to censor or control things here (so if I ever do 
that, get mad at me as a user, not as a world master :-).  


Petr, I'm sorry you feel that I'm trying to limit free speech here, 
or to control anyone's behavior; I made some *suggestions* I thought 
were appropriate. I spent a *lot* of time writing and editing my 
posts in the hope that they weren't too strong, but still got my 
view across. If you think that you should be able to use this world 
for anything you want, personally, I disagree; it's RTs world and 
we are guests in their house. If there is something specific in my 
posts that offended you, please let me know what it was.


As a user, I haven't been around much lately. Mostly my schedule 
is the cause, but maybe it's also because the technical value of 
the world has been diluted (IMO) by noise, so I'm just not as "driven" 
to come here and make time to participate. I'm normally on dial-up, 
so that affects download time, yes. Right now, I'm on a fast connection 
but the noise is still a problem because I have to visit all the 
groups that come up red to see what's new, and if I only have a small 
amount of time to spend, it may all get eaten up just skimming what 
others posted. Also, the more noise there is, and the more we get 
in the habit of talking about non-technical stuff here (again, this 
is all *my* opinion), the more chance there is for it to leak out 
into other groups, and it does. 


The camaraderie comes from the people; the technical value comes 
from the experts  who often focus on that aspect and may stop coming 
if there's too much noise here. When that happens, the value of the 
world is diminished. 


Well, my time is long gone for writing here, but I hope that helps 
clarify my position.

AShley there is a problem rendering this in MDViewer
<c red>t</c><c orange>e</c><c orange>s</c><c yellow>t</c>

But with the same engine that works perfectly in MDP-GUI (with a 
little bad redering on the s caracter I don't know why..)