World: r3wp

Thanks, glad to be able to join - lost my view of REBOL when I switched 
to a Mac many years ago - so happy they have a working version for 
OS X now, beta or not. :-)

Ashley's RebGUI docs include a nice little snippet on OS X app bundles, 
just FYI.

I have looked at Ashley's RebGUI work already, very nice.  Need to 
bring my basic REBOL up to speed though to start using it.  I did 
note the bundles part already as well, very helpful.

Thanks, it helps that I've moved over to Mac within the last two 
years myself. The last stumbling block was a Mac version of AltME 
(which I've created an app bundle for ... works like a native app 
now).

Ah, I need to try the bundle steps for AltME.  I'm still launching 
from a terminal session, though I do have one open typically anyway.

The hardest part was creating a nice .icns file ;)  (the images that 
is, not the process)

Hah, yeah I am going to be grabbing an .icns that someone with talent 
did for that part.

Ashley is there a reason safeworlds dosen't/can't  use  your app 
bundle as its offical apple download?

They can certainly use the template as a starting point, but need 
to add their own copyright and other information ... plus add icons 
that are a bit more polished for the Mac (a bit of shadow on the 
existing icon and one drawn at 128x128 should do the trick). I should 
also point out that "my" app bundle merely builds on the work that 
Gabriele and others have done ... I just put it together in a usable 
format and published first, ;)

<< Any rules about who can post into what groups?>>

If you can see a group in the groups list, then you can post into 
it. If your posts are not appearing then either:

* it has been lost -- if you have a flakey connection, Altme will 
try to upload the message from your machine and if it discovers it 
needs to reconnect, it will do so automatically and then THROW YOUR 
MESSAGE AWAY. All you see is the "reconnecting" message. You are 
not told your message has been discarded.

* it has been recieved, but is not rebroadcast to everyone. Some 
people see it withing seconds, some do not unless they later post 
inot the same group This is the resync problem refered to above.

Can you help, please?

I'm trying to establish if we all have the same Altme Group number 
for the same Altme Groups.


If we do, then an app I want to build using merged data from several 
Altme users will be very easy.

If we don't, then I must salute Altme's excellent security measure 
in making the group number local to each user. But I have to do so 
while walking back to the drawingboard to redesign the application.

So, please: could a few people right-click !Atme in the Groups list 
and tell me what #nnn they see to the right of the Group Name?
Thanks!
I see #151

I get #151 too.

#151

#151

#151

Looking promising. Thanks guys!
Anyone see anything different?

#151

#151

I salute Altme for simplicity ;)

n°151

Thanks all, again.

Simple has advantages.....And that is a big advantage for me right 
now.


But, with my Security hat on:  the gaps in the Group-id numbers I 
see in the users.set file enable me to infer the existence of ex- 
or private groups. If I'd copied users.set daily, the skips in numbers 
would leak some additional information. Maybe not enough to launch 
some sort of attack, but more info than need be leaked.

KISS

Keep it simple, sure.
Bur also keep it safe and secure.

Leaking the total number of groups (ever) in a world would not be 
considered secure enough in some markets.
It's the traditional design tradeoffs.

I"m glad it wasn't me that Reichart was kissing!

If you are kissed by a baron, could you turn into a frog?

Share the love man, just share the love.

is it possible to have an API for altme where we can do things such 
as online backgammon via altme?  Its the perfect lobby setup :)

AltME 3

great - ill start on Backgammon next weekend :)

Icarii, but coding for AltME 3 will start in few months imo :-)

-pekr- being a bad guy once again :-)

ahh - but its better to be prepared no? ;)

How does Altme! keep track of  a client's cach of messages? Does 
it update based on differences from the messages on hte client machine 
or from the server? What I want to know is: if I use altme from two 
differnet computers will I always get a full update when I log on 
or will I lose messages if I loged on a different computer before. 
I'm having trouble updating on a computer I  recently installed Altme 
on. I am not able to get many of the groups to download the old messages.

Is there a way to manualy download the messages for a perticular 
group?

It updates based on the list from the client.  You can install on 
multiple computers using the same account and it will download all 
the messages to ensure your clients are up to date.

Reichart can confirm if there is a way to get old messages.  You 
might be able to either delete a group index file or something like 
that, but I don't know for sure as I haven't played with this at 
all.  Others here may have experience.

I know if you right-click on a group name, you will get some details 
related to that group.  I believe the number that appears in the 
upper right-hand corner may be of use to help idenfify the file that 
is used to store the contents of the group.

What you are describing may be the symptom that others have been 
talking about to describe the 'Dot' problem that happens on some 
clients.  I can't help there as I have never experienced messages 
not appearing or groups being out of synch, to the best of my knowledge.

You have to reinstall to get a full fresh mix (simply put).

IIRC  problems with altme fonts on linux have already been discussed, 
I just don't know where.

For the time being I can switch the text fonts from "much too small" 
to "still too small", while the groups list stays on "barely readable".

Any ideas?   (I'm using Ubuntu 7.04: X.org 7.2.0)

Anb by the way, though altme tells me, that I'd have to press ALT-S 
to send, it still sends on return

if you're using ubuntu 7.04, use altme under wine. it works much 
better :)

Well, that's an alternative I don't particularly like ... would it 
help to change so Debian?

don't think so.

but, you may try installing more fonts... i think altme linux is 
using helvetica, maybe you don't have a scalable version of helvetica.

for me it works. either i have better eyes (doubt that) or i installed 
something. could be

http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Software_and_Tweaks#Miscellaneous
#  Extra Fonts (Additional fonts and msttcorefonts)

Please post a picture of AltME looking bad on your flavour of Linux.

I think, there are too many groups in this world, REBOL3. Am I alone 
with this point of view?