World: r3wp

The next time one of you think that you are not seeing updates in 
group, instead of posting a ".", please try something for me to see 
if this works.  Just change yoru max message setting, say from "100" 
to "500" or even "1,000".  I just noticed something that might explain 
this bug....

I've never seen this bug :)

Cool, but others do, which is why they post a "."  Perhaps we can 
lock in on how to reproduce it.

Or, we can ban them ...

Well, I'll do my best to help them first...

Today one of our worlds lost its name registration, even if yesterday 
I was there. Shouldn't it keep the world name reserved for 10 days? 
:-)

so we recreated the world, and the good thing is, that it mapped 
correctly onto existing user and group settings.

This used to happen to me on a very regular basis when I was running 
more than one world.  Seems to have stabilized for me now though. 
 IIf you are running multiple worlds, you will only be able to get 
it registered to the proper port if you re-register the world while 
the other ports are in use..   For example if your world was sitting 
on the third port that gets assigned, you would need to have your 
first and second worlds running when you re-register, otherwise it 
will re-register you to the first port and you'll be hand-cuffed.

no other world is running on the same physical hardware. But it already 
happened in the past. Simply put - 10 days timeout is not correct.

Would you prefer ads?

Or just pay for it.

that is not about paying or not, that is about apparent bug of the 
system ....

It is an illusive bug.  There seems to be an odd set of circumstances 
that cause it.  It is logged though.

One thing is clear - our world was not available, wifi node was down. 
So at that time, there might be some check, and the rest depends 
on engine at Safeworlds. It is just that upon the description, the 
world name should be reserved for 10 days, while it was not even 
24 hours. But it was not a problem to renew. We just re-registered 
the world, and it mapped to the data of our world, without any problem 
...

We are not questioning it should be what it says "10 days"

We are trying to figure out why it times out even though you used 
it in the 10 day window.

Reichart - what kind of database is used at the back end? When I 
log to my world, what happens there? Is it logged back to DB? Or 
is it just in-memory database?

I really don't want to explain "how" things work... nor try to debug 
any product with customers.  However, all information you have about 
what was happening when you tried to log in is helpful...


There is a tendancy for doctors to act as doctors, even when they 
are the patient.

Reichart, I was curious as to what kind of development is going on 
with Altme. Isn't it pretty much what it is?

That is, it is what it is?

Or is it like the Amiga which never dies : -)

So you don't want to debug with customers, yet you expect information? 
:-) Well, everything was said already. Our world was not available 
for something like 24 hours or less. When I was trying to connect 
to the world, I got message "the world does not exist". Then I checked 
via altme.com/check.html, and the site confirmed the name is available, 
hence expired. I guess I can't do more on my side ....

Yes, it is not a two way street.  

I appreciate all you have stated...

James, there is more being done with AltME...

Does anybody know what character encoding AltME uses uner Mac? It 
is clearly different from the one used in Windows.

I think MacRoman: http://www.ross-gill.com/techniques/entities/mac/

Thanks, Chris. That explains the results that I saw.

Repeat of a post I made here almost a year ago.....And it is still 
not obvious how a newcomer joins this world. It's a huge blindspot 
in the otherwise welcoming REBOL community:

There is no simple, obvious, method of joining this world....

....If you discover it via the REBOL.net archive, there is no info 
at all about joining
http://www.rebol.net/altweb/rebol3/


....If you find it via the REBOL.org archive, there is a note in 
the Help page about requesting membership via the Mailing List.....So 
first, you got to join the ML and it has to be working that day :-(

Let's come up with something better guys!


My opening suggestion.....membership can be requested by sending 
an email to a specific gmail account that the Admins here monitor.

Why not a simple Rebol plugin form that auto-emails the details to 
the defined admins of this world?  Since it's a RT world, they could 
host?  ;-)

no no are you all mad ? Rebol world must stay unknown by the plebe 
 ;-)

so that we cant remain between Jedi.
No need new padawans...

we should ask to Master Carl at first

Sunanada...agreed...

I already suggested it directly to Carl in the past, and he agreed. 
Small note of how to join would be sufficient. One really has to 
wonder, why such simple thing was not sorted out ...

One other possibility......We could have a "request membership" form 
on REBOL.org.
That'd explain the need to download the client from Altme.com.

And it'd send an email to an Admin requesting the person be let in.


So all we need is an Admin who is willing to be the recipient of 
that email.
Any takers?

I might be the one, but I think that it as well should be the person 
able to set-up account here?

If noone picks-up, then take my email adress (will not post here 
- web public group). I then can post requests into Accounts group 
...

How is the world lookup working in detail in AltME. I'm asking, because 
I have a problem at work, where they run behind a firewall, and they 
use a ip-range from the outside into the firewall.


My guess is, that the AltME client ask the World Name server, where 
a certain world is located, and the server respond with a IP-number. 
So when a world is created, the world name is stored at the name 
server together with the IP number. And the IP number is read in 
the messages sent over the network. So for me to tell the network 
manager at work, what ports for what IP numbers to open in the firewall, 
I could call a site like
http://www.myip.dk/

with a browser from the server, where the AltME world is created. 
And this should be the IP number, for which the ports (5400-5409) 
should be open for incoming trafic.

Is this correct?

AltME feature request.  Include the date/time as a second column 
a group was last updated.  Since we don't have the ability to synch 
what was read between each instance of AltME that we read, having 
the last date/time listed we could quickly select through the groups 
we have already visited in a previous session on another machine. 
 Although synching what was last accessed would be the ultimate fix. 
:-)

Thank's Petr.....I'll PM you some details.

I can also take account requests via email, but am also happy to 
share the wealth and let Petr do that if he wants. :-)

Please remember to post your suggestions in AltME feedback, that 
way it gets logged, thanks.

Reichart, done.

I currently have AltME configured to show 1000 posts and when I go 
to the !QM group then I see a serious of posts from user "none" it 
is clear that this user is actually Reichart and all posts he made 
to that group prior to 21-Apr-07 4:31 PM show up as being posted 
as "none"  Does anyone else see this?

Remember that R left this world .. and so all his posts became none. 
 He rejoined under the same nick.

Ah, right.

Wonder why he didn't rejoin as Reichart2 ....

LOL

:)

A suggestion for handling group  termination would be to have an 
option for a group to be retired and then it goes into like a suspend 
status where it can't be read but remains listed in a greyed out 
manner and if someone decides to restore it before the expiration 
period then it becomes restored.  If someone wants to retire it again 
it goes through the same process.  Another thing is to make OPT out 
groups persistent.

Correction it CANT be read in a suspend status but remains listed 
but greyed out.

Now another thing would be to make OPT outs persistent so that if 
someone recreates a group with the same name again later that the 
person is automatically opted out.