World: r3wp

Today I got chance to test our theories, that if you want to register 
another world on the same PC, you have to have prior worlds running. 
So our current world is running, and I started altme, and tried to 
register another one, but it apparently gets assigned the same 5400 
port once again :-( What should I do to properly register new world 
to the different port?

Pekr, that is the same process I went through if I recall.  Maybe 
make sure the first world is open in AltME, not just running, then 
try registering the second world?

I was running multiple servers on a Win98 machine, so don't know 
if anyone else has had a different experience on the more recent 
Win OS's.

thanks ... will try my next round once my requested world name expires 
in 10 days :-)

I haven't found the magic steps to make this work reliably either. 
I was able to make it work sometimes by manually starting the worlds, 
and I though had it working from shortcuts, but then things would 
stop working. At some point I gave up, and now just host one world 
per machine.

Oh, just thought of something, make sure the necessary port range 
is open on your system/router.  Maybe it's the router that is preventing 
the proper port from being used?

Nothing to do with router imo. There is DST nat on our main router. 
There are two rules, - one for 5400 port, another one (copy) for 
5401 port. As I don't know Altme internals, can't say which side 
decides, what port to register at altme.com.

The way I see it.  If your IP is trying to register, the AltME world 
server checks to see what port to use.  If 5400 is in use (your other 
world running), then it would decide to use the next available port. 
 Maybe however it's using a random port in the series of 5400 - 5409 
(not my experience).  Maybe open them all and try again.

I will try, once I will visit the target PC. The existing world WAS 
running, and I was even connected to it from outside PC. Yet when 
registering new one, it ended up registered with port 5400. Next 
time (once it expires), I'll try to open rebol console and check, 
if port 5400 is regularly blocked by trying to: open tcp://:5400. 
 I will report back my experience ...

No CTRL-Z in Altme? Hopeless.

At least a form in a browser lets you go back if you accidentally 
delete your post before sending.

ALtme wish list...

I would like to have the abilty to batch update all files in a folder. 
I'm sitting here clicking on each one at a time...

Also, an ability to import a folder with contained files. It seems 
you have to create a folder manually,,I had to creat about fifty 
folders the other day...

And even if the folder already exists with files in it you still 
need to iport the files manually.
But atleat you can import multiple files at a time...

Here's another wish list item.   I am had a family only list going. 
 People would forget to login and check what was updated on occassion, 
and during slow periods with little entry, would miss that one or 
two days where something was added.  So, a nag feature that can be 
turned on and off by both the user and administrator.  It would send 
an email from the World server telling the person updates were posted 
to the World.

Is the code available to make AltME topics available on the web? 
 I'm starting a world with a sports team and want a Blackberry user 
to be able to check-in if updates have been made.

Didier published some once ... and I presume that the library has 
some code of their own.

But presumably you could just look at the dates on the file sets 
and publish just those.

thanks for the suggestion Graham.

The code you need is very simple.... As Graham suggests, just check 
the timestamp on the nnn.set files.


If you want to tell your rellies how many messages are outstanding, 
check the timestamp on the entries in each .set file [teh file itself 
is a REBOL block, so very easy to load).


Just one possible gotcha -- you may not want to be disclosing details 
of your personal messages (eg don't tell your mom whenever you have 
had a private chat with your dad), nor of private groups (Gran should 
not even know about the private group arranging her 90th birthday 
party).

Okay, thanks for your help Sunanda.

Is there a way to change a folder name in files?

and have in syncronized with other users

in > it

Anyone else see around a 30 minute outage of this world, just now?

I saw it

yes

Thanks.

REBOL.net was inaccessible too....Maybe a short server break [this 
world and REBOL.net share an IP address]

yes

Interesting. I could access and post to Rebdev Chat.

rebdev chat is on a different server

question, does AltME serving on 'nix require some level of graphica 
user interface running?  If so, what?

Interesting thing about FaceBook.  I know someone (name private to 
keep the innocent from Big Brothers) who uses FaceBook and was forced 
by the policy of their employer to not let a friend join (who was 
fired) their facebook because the employer could peruse the person's 
facebook, and is doing so, and it is part of that employer's employee 
handbook.


That is scary.  It validates the IOS/AltME way of better privacy, 
in my mind.

I would think this will kill facebook.

only if people cares about it. the popularity of facebook here is... 
absurd.

How long will Facebook last? What will replace it?

I think like Carl's essay on the trouble with email, AltME could 
do a more strategic but pointed talk about Safeworlds fixes the problem 
with Facebook.

(of course people still use email, but email is quite different from 
the spillage of info from facebook.  email is more private than facebook

I just wanted to express this Ahha moment I had today, from a discussio 
with this person.

Who is responsible for the Altme? I want sources so I can fix the 
really stupid link bug!

I would guess Carl programmed it.

I think Carl has taken it over but didn't do it originally.

Based on this post, it may still be Reichart:

  http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?offset=-1&post=r3wp151x458

Carl was doing the lastest builds.

I have heard AltME is now RT's responsibility ...

Correct, Carl is your man.

which means fixes won't be a priority

This is why I keep asking you guys to post in Feedback, because that 
is automated, ensures everything is captured, and although updates 
comes slowly, he does do them in the order there.

that url bug has been there since inception

Oldes, you can't have the sources!!!

Report for those that are trying to run more than 2 world servers 
on one machine - we were unable to register second world, even if 
the first one was running, and hence TCP port 5400 was occupied. 
Last weekend I did some experiments, and my conclusion is that if 
you need to start secondary world


1) make sure that your primary world is running - this will prevent 
registration process to use first (or simply lower TCP port). AltME 
starts with using ports 5400 and higher ..


2) block your ports (NAT) on your firewall. Simply put, there has 
to be some bug. Even if my primary world server was running = port 
5400 was occupied, my new world was assigned port 5400 too. Simply 
put - it has to be AltME server at SafeWorlds, which connects back 
to your site, and mistakenly uses 5400 to check. Then it registers 
5400 for your new world. This is my speculation. But the solution 
really is to block your prior (already being used) AltME ports on 
your firewall (NAT)