World: r3wp

Brock, that would not work.

Sunanda: it's not distributed, because data can only go from the 
server to the clients. as soon as the server is dead, everything 
is dead.

distributed means that all nodes are equal. and with the right measures, 
a few nodes failing are not enough to cause a data loss.

I think the reason that Carl created Rebol2 & Rebol3 is that if he 
had restored the original Rebol & Rebol2 all private messages would 
have been lost.


It would seem that AltME' s replication strategy isn't quite there 
yet.

Gabriele -- I think I have a more relaxed definition of distributed.

it should have been possible to recreate all the public stuff (as 
Brock says) by reclaiming more recent messags from some of the more 
trsuted clients.

Private messages would be a little harder -- but stil not impossible 
with the right recovery code.

**ALL** the data still existed somewhere. Altme failed to re-collect 
it.

The present set up seems totally fragile.  Dependant on a single, 
central server. That's so 20th Century :-)

its a bussines model

Another answer is use Raid Drives, and back up once in a while (daily).

how do I make a new group again ?

two peeps on top left

That's one layer of security Reichart.

But (given that failed for whatever reason -- human laziness in doing 
backups;  tsunami; all kit stolen in break-in; whatever), what's 
the *next* layer?

Secure systems need more than one layer -- as we've discovered with 
REBOL-->REBOL2-->REBOL3.

*All* the data still existed, distributed amond the many users. But 
we threw it away and started a new world.

It's not a a good case study to write up for prospective Altme users.

thanks Graham

I agree, Sunanda. I'm backing up my data now. :)

(my machine will probably crash now)

no, once you back up, it doesn't crash anymore

that's *once* you back up... just started... :)

Reichart: see my comment at top of this group regarding a separate 
AltME usability issue.

yeah anton, i lost a lot of important emails by doing a backup without 
checking the files first...

that is, they worked the day before, so i just backed up, then started 
the mailer and figured the files were broken

And *test* your backups! Did a medium-size system for a big bank. 
Ran great for 3+ years, they changed the network, glitched something, 
went to the backup and found that the archive software was set to 
remove all blank space (e.g. nulls) from files. Every backup for 
3 years had "compressed" the DB files in a way that made them useless.

interesting things that banks do.. would have thought that they have 
in place process to test and make sure recovery is possible

banks are also supposed to do money legitimately, but USA proved 
that doesn't work that well, us citizens had to bail out the Savings 
and Loan industry some years back after their illegitimate handling 
of money.

but that being said, you guys are helping me sort out how to finish 
my scripts...:-)

I totally agree that AltME could be built in such a way that the 
peers can suppliment the data back, you might as an example simply 
check the integrity of everyone's copy, and accept data when three 
or more people agree on the data.

Private data would be agreed on by the two parties

for example.

I can't change my sex when I right click on  myself...

this is a problem?

there can only be one AntQueen

I was going to change species but there wasn't an option.

Are you saying that Altme gender discriminates?

I can't change my sex when I right click on  myself...

I think you have to click really really hard to change your sex.

The reason I started playing with my sex was that I wanted to change 
my icon color, then one thing led to another...hmmn now I know what 
AltME should do...show the colors of the people applied to the names 
in the Users list...suspect that has already been suggested.

Actually it has not been suggested that I remember.  Every once in 
a while I go through here and cull features though.

I search on words "AltME" "Needs" "Feature" Bug" etc.

ok, sent as feedback. (been knocking off dozens of UI nits in various 
parts of REBOL codes.

Reichart:can you move the Linux group-with all the messages- to the 
operating system group?Make sense to have it there

Interesting...  When did the WorldMaster dividers get updated?  I've 
had AltME set to use WorldMaster dividers but it only showed All 
Users and All Groups.  I just switched to No Dividers and back to 
WorldMaster.  Now all the dividers are there...

Core needs to be added to the REBOL Divider.

How many lines can ALTME hold in its buffer or cache?

I need a solution that can hold alot of content that might be generated 
in one day - far more than we generate in the REBOL world in one 
day.

Also which there was a [quote][/quote] feature

I can sell you one...just send me the specs.

What you mean?

You custom buld ALTME apps?

I custom build X Internet systems.  I can go 50-50 with you.

I should have clarified a bit more.  I'm looking for an ALTME like 
solution

you're still warm

IOS can be customized right down to the desktop...

yeah

Altme has alot of what I'm looking for