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[!AltME] Discussion about AltME
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shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3527] | no i don't sorry ... I like the idea of unpersistant chats one day you can come to have meaning less conversations the other one you can come to have very high level conversations and all that disapear the momment you log out lol |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3528] | well Altme serves as a knowledge base as well. |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3529] | of course now in day clients have loging mechanism you can make you bot to log the conversation too that way you have a trace of conversation on your channel even if you are not there that's a client side issue server only share intputs/ output and don't log the conversations I was adminsitrator on Undernet IRC like 17 years ago and ppl their was accusing use to log the conversations and sell them to CIA ... But reality is no I worked anough on the server source code (to fix those annoying bugs and extend them ) to assure you client side conversation are not store |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3530x2] | You worked for the CIA? |
Good pay? | |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3532] | and for one good reason in some country like China for example you can't speak freely ... so part of the idea is anyone can comme and speak of anything and to not turn the authorities totally impossible to talk actions agains the server holders |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3533x2] | Unless the authorities installed bots to record all conversations. |
Are there ssl clients and comms? | |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3535x3] | no way never worked for CIA i hate the idea of having a stupid on your back watching what u doing ... |
graham that was possible ofcourse that's why by default bots where prohibated seek and connection terminated | |
to have a bot running on your channel you had to ask permission to the server admins | |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3538x2] | Ok, my real question is ... do you think IRC is a good support mechanism to build into software? |
so that users can get supported by software authors ... | |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3540x3] | plus as the conversation are segmented in channels and that a channel can prohibitate you from enterring logging all the conversation on one server was impossible and you have the user to user private chatting concept like in altme |
so having the conversion not logged was such a needed thing to be sure to offer to the public a space of totally free discutions | |
graham it's the baest system of chatting in fact all the MMORPG use that system adapted to allow player to chat | |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3543] | so one conversation might get carried on different channels and gets reassembled at the other end? |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3544x3] | and as server side you don't store any information then the server side is really really small in space |
give me 1 persistant connection and 3Mo of hard drive anywhere i will do you an IRC server ^^ | |
channels are virtual list of ppl in memory | |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3547] | interesting... |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3548] | you open a channel you create an object in memory that knows what client have enter every time some one join you channel it enter into the memory list |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3549] | So, I need to setup a IRC server and write an IRC client in Rebol |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3550x4] | when you type a message it is forwarded to all the people in you channel list and nothing more |
to maintain the volatile aspect of the conversation you have many ways | |
first the channel operator can manually kick and ban any user not talking to his channel | |
having a conversation with a bot in general is very one sided lool | |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3554] | Looks like Paul also wrote a IRC bot |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3555x2] | ( In IA class i made a bot that could stand a conversation lol when i presented that project my professor was dead laughing but after explaining the concept behind he was like hoooo that's great try to do it ...) |
i mean making the computer standing a lively converstation that makes sens is quite not the joke really | |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3557] | I use Eliza for my chat program |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3558x3] | and that even one of the ways to evaluate the intelligence of an AI how many time it will spend before saying supid things or repeating itself |
hum that's part of the project i made and no one will put it's end on it cause well humanity is not prepared to have thinking machines | |
their hands on it damn .... i'm tired sorry | |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3561] | interesting .. there's no irc scripts on rebol.org library |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3562x3] | ok so the nice pont on IRC is volatile and exclusive side of the chatting and the fact that the server is enough simple to be implemented every where and installed on any kind of machines |
damn my ftp server is sick .... | |
i can't log to it anymore ... what is that freak thing well | |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3565] | what about Jabber? |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3566] | jabber is derivated to irc too but with persistant information |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3567] | google chat uses jabber I see. |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3568] | yes I don't know if it's volatile or not msn messenger or yahoo messenger are based on IRC they have volatile conversation not stored on server side (but there can be a doubt since no one saw the sources of it) |
Graham 22-May-2009 [3569] | well, I know that gmail stores my chats so I know it's not volatile |
shadwolf 22-May-2009 [3570x7] | IRC had that great point to be a public domain project anyone could get the server sources and see how things are done |
and htat was bothering some ppl so much lol ... free expression is not a light thing for some people. For example when i say to Paul or other here is not the place to discuss on some subject that's not that i deny them the right to speak about it that means just I don't want to be involved in it and having those conversation kind persistant pose me real trouble ... | |
I mean they can have same conversation in private ... | |
why putting that on public place since this world have a defined purpose which doesn't feet with that kind of discutions plus why talking more about one religion than another ... | |
here you have oldes work ^^ | |
http://oldes.multimedia.cz/rss/builds/irc-core-client/irc-core-client.r | |
irc client in rebol | |
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