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[!AltME] Discussion about AltME

shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3527]
no i don't  sorry ...  I like the idea of unpersistant chats 

one day you can come to have meaning less conversations the other 
one you can come to have very high level conversations and all that 
disapear the momment you log out lol
Graham
22-May-2009
[3528]
well Altme serves as a knowledge base as well.
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3529]
of course now in day clients have loging mechanism you can make you 
bot to log the conversation too that way you have a trace of conversation 
on your channel even if you are not there that's a client side issue 
server only share intputs/ output  and don't log the conversations 
I was adminsitrator on Undernet IRC like 17 years ago and ppl their 
was accusing use to log the conversations and sell them to CIA ... 
But reality is no I worked anough on the server source code (to fix 
those annoying bugs and extend them ) to assure you client side conversation 
are not store
Graham
22-May-2009
[3530x2]
You worked for the CIA?
Good pay?
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3532]
and for one good reason in some country like China for example you 
can't speak freely ... so part of the idea is anyone can comme and 
speak of anything and to not turn the authorities totally impossible 
to talk actions agains the server holders
Graham
22-May-2009
[3533x2]
Unless the authorities installed bots to record all conversations.
Are there ssl clients and comms?
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3535x3]
no way never worked for CIA i hate the idea of having a stupid on 
your back watching what u doing ...
graham that was possible ofcourse that's why by default bots where 
prohibated seek and connection terminated
to have a bot running on your channel you had to ask permission to 
the server admins
Graham
22-May-2009
[3538x2]
Ok, my real question is ... do you think IRC is a good support mechanism 
to build into software?
so that users can get supported by software authors ...
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3540x3]
plus as the conversation are segmented in channels and that a channel 
can prohibitate you from enterring logging all the conversation on 
one server was impossible and you have the user to user private chatting 
concept like in altme
so having the conversion not logged was such a needed thing to be 
sure to offer to the public a space of totally free discutions
graham it's the baest system of chatting in fact all the MMORPG use 
that system adapted to allow player to chat
Graham
22-May-2009
[3543]
so one conversation might get carried on different channels and gets 
reassembled at the other end?
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3544x3]
and as server side you don't store any information then the server 
side is really really small in space
give me 1 persistant connection and 3Mo of hard drive anywhere i 
will do you an IRC server  ^^
channels are virtual list of ppl in memory
Graham
22-May-2009
[3547]
interesting...
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3548]
you open a channel you create an object in memory that knows what 
client have enter every time some one join you channel it enter into 
the memory list
Graham
22-May-2009
[3549]
So, I need to setup a IRC server and write an IRC client in Rebol
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3550x4]
when you type a message it is forwarded to all the people in you 
channel list and nothing more
to maintain the volatile aspect of the conversation you have many 
ways
first the channel operator can manually kick and ban any user not 
talking to his channel
having a conversation with a bot in general is very one sided lool
Graham
22-May-2009
[3554]
Looks like Paul also wrote a IRC bot
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3555x2]
( In IA class i made a bot that could stand a conversation  lol when 
i presented that project my professor was dead laughing but after 
explaining the concept behind he was like hoooo that's great try 
to do it ...)
i mean making the computer standing a lively converstation that makes 
sens is quite not the joke really
Graham
22-May-2009
[3557]
I use Eliza for my chat program
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3558x3]
and that even one of the ways to evaluate the intelligence of an 
AI how many time it will spend before saying supid things or repeating 
itself
hum that's part of the project i made and no one will put it's end 
on it cause well humanity is not prepared to have thinking machines
their hands on it  damn .... i'm tired sorry
Graham
22-May-2009
[3561]
interesting .. there's no irc scripts on rebol.org library
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3562x3]
ok so the nice pont on IRC is volatile and exclusive side of the 
chatting and the fact that the server is enough simple to be implemented 
every where and installed on any kind of machines
damn my ftp server is sick ....
i can't log to it anymore ... what is that freak thing well
Graham
22-May-2009
[3565]
what about Jabber?
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3566]
jabber is derivated to irc too but with persistant information
Graham
22-May-2009
[3567]
google chat uses jabber I see.
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3568]
yes I don't know if it's volatile or not msn messenger or yahoo messenger 
are based on IRC they have volatile conversation not stored on server 
side (but there can be a doubt since no one saw the sources of it)
Graham
22-May-2009
[3569]
well, I know that gmail stores my chats so I know it's not volatile
shadwolf
22-May-2009
[3570x7]
IRC had that great point to be a public domain project anyone could 
get the server sources and see how things  are done
and htat was bothering some ppl so much lol ... free expression is 
not a light thing for some people. For example when i say to Paul 
or other here is not the place to discuss on some subject that's 
not that i deny them the right to speak about it that means just 
I don't want to be involved in it and having those conversation kind 
persistant pose me real trouble ...
I mean they can have same conversation in private ...
why putting that on public place since this world have a defined 
purpose which doesn't feet with that kind of discutions plus why 
talking more about one religion than another ...
here you have oldes work  ^^
http://oldes.multimedia.cz/rss/builds/irc-core-client/irc-core-client.r
irc client in rebol