World: r3wp

bell (BCE) is one of the two major web providers in quebec.

Reichart, can you confirm that nothing is screwed up on the machine 
running this world, or its internet access... it is seriously breaking 
up.


earlier, I had a drop every 30 seconds, I tried to post a message 
7 times...  graham and I had to chat elsewhere cause it was getting 
just to insane.

Just took me three AltME restarts to post a private message to Reichart. 

That "Internet Busy" text string deserves some extra remuneration 
for all the hours it is working.

I lost a message also.

Maybe someone could contact Carl and ask him to restart worlds? IIRC 
it helped in the past ...

I am guessing the altme server is near a critical memory limit.

or has a flaky web connection

or someone is attacking it?

I wonder if AltME is able to detect some brute force actions.

I have been looking at my WireShark output during one of the recent 
AltME problems. What seems to happen is that the server stops responding 
to the client keep alive requests (sent evey 5 seconds normaly), 
but the IP address keeps responding to my pings with almost no dropped 
packets or increase in latency.

After a while the client stops sending keep alives & the view changes 
away from the "chat" view.

Changing back to the chat view causes the client to create a new 
TCP connection (local port number changes) & exchange some ?authentication? 
data & some larger blocks of data too. After that the server stops 
responding to the keep alives again & the process repeats.

Oldes - btw - I got some reply from Carl. He said that it is not 
problem to post related sources to the area of interest we want to 
fix. It might mean he is not willing to release all altme source 
code. But I think it might be a good start. So if we e.g. want to 
fix the URL parse bug, I think we can manage it?

Good result, Petr.

Can we manage it?  Well, partially, it'll depend on how well written 
the code is:-)

If we can manage it, we may get a shot at some other fixes too. So 
let's at least try

the post dropping is the # 1 bug in Atlme.  lets just prevent it 
from flushing the text area before it receives the post, and at least 
we won't be frustrated.


the clearing of the view when a connection is dropped is also EXTREMELY 
annoying... you have to click back on the group, and it clears te 
"unread" bg color and resets the scrollbar.   these can be changed 
without any real coding change required... its just preventing a 
few things in the gui/network event handling.  maybe we could just 
the bg of the Network status to RED, that accomplishes the same goal, 
but doesn't turn us into enraged altme users.

If the code is being kept mostly private perhaps at some stage it 
will be developed further as a comercial product, in which case it 
would seem usefull if we as test users record a list of bugs & useability 
suggestions in a structured way perhaps?

[fourth time of trying to post this]: thanks for the analysis of 
the connection problems, Mike.

[third repost]: There's a good list of bugs and suggestions starting 
here:
http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp151x457

hehe .. this was my suggestion in 2005 "security - stop unauthorised 
users from removing/renaming groups"

But I think the most important bug to be fixed is to stop losing 
messages.  Eg. create a buffer to store the outgoing message.

As a test I have both the r3-alpha world, the r2-beta world and this 
one open.  I got dropped multiple times from this one but the other 
worlds were  fine during this.

So, it looks to be world specific ...

Sunanda, thanks for the link. I had a good read of that and was surprised 
to not find any requests for keyboard shortcuts, paticularly the 
use of the arrow keys to scroll lists & text.. That would be my top 
request I think.

I wonder if the problem comes from people with a bad connection (like 
me).

Strangly, each time my connection to internet makes a fuss, i can 
see complaints on Altme.
o_o'

And i'm only connected to that world

The web is a flutter with how slow FaceBook is too...

And for the exact time frame we have seen it heere too....hmmmm...

maybe this server needs to be reset or something.

Perhaps the whole Internet really was busy?  AltME's been telling 
it like it is...

messenger hasn't been giving me a hard time at all.  neither has 
google chat.

Just Cheyenne

I've had a couple of dropped posts too, the past few days.

Just to report that I also have problems with altme in last days 
"internet busy.."

Maybe it's the Google's Wave which makes Internet busy.. updating 
conversations of all the planet in real time.)

is it possible to check if the server is overloaded? are there problems 
with other worlds?

I just checked.. r3-alpha world is affected as well. (probably same 
machine)

It already happened in the past and IIRC someone called Carl and 
he restarted servers. I contacted him privately yesterday in R3 Chat. 
No reply so far, maybe RT is on vacation :-)

graham: LOL  its behaving now.

wasn't there an FTP group here before?

you're thinking of previous worlds

I think there was once, and also a FTPgadget channel

some code supplied from anton that I was about to use.... has disapeared... 
I'm pretty sure in was in a group called ftp

I did a full search in altme and didn't find it.

nope ... discussions I had with anton this spring.

btw, IMHO,  the current altme droppings aren't due to networking 
speed/internet woes ... right now, when I post I get a turnaround 
well below half a second.

It almost feels instantaneous.  still I must relog every so often, 
If I want to be syncing again.  the server just stops responding 
after a few minutes.  :-(

I think it's the server playing up ... not network issues per se

still playing up today ...

17,000 posts in this world so far already this year, and only 18,000 
for the whole of last year.

Must be the effect of R3

NB: with regards to Prefixing group names... just today... had the 
groups been prefixed, I would have found a post I have been looking 
for the better part of an hour... just cause I'd have noticed the 
group name next to network related groups... I actually looked at 
the name and never *clicked* it was a network group...  ' : - /

Use the search tool ... it's your friend