World: r3wp

This is the first time I lost my world and one has been running no 
problem for over a year...

I re-started/registered and its back up again...I was afraid the 
old files might get overwritten or some other screw-up but no probs

It seems even the port used has remained the same...

Yes, the port used is reused when you start up again.  Whic is why 
if you run more than one world you restart them in the sequence they 
were created.  So you would have the world on 5400 started first, 
then while that world is running, restart the world running on 5401, 
and while that is also running, restart the world running on 5402. 
 (I'm hoping I got the port numbers correct, too lazy to look it 
up)

It was not enough in my case. Even if I have my first world running 
= 5400 port occupied, when I started another one on 5401, altme.com 
registered the second one on 5400 too. The trick is to prevent altme.com 
to get access to your 5400 port (first world) for a while, by disabling 
DST NAT on your router for a while. At least it was my case.

well I restarted two worlds and I do not think I started them in 
the same order but all seems fine...might have just got lucky..

this world back up again now ... everyone happy with these continued 
outages?

I don't understand why it keeps falling...

in any case the server its hosted on, should just scan the process 
list and restart it automatically when it falls...  maybe its a network 
issue... which makes the service unreachable.

It's a server issue ...

the other hosted altme worlds were done as well ( r3-alpha )

http://www.rebol.com/article/0433.html

how can someone get an account here if they aren't on the mailing 
list?

ask ... on rebol.org

Or post a request on their behalf into the
   Accounts
group.

We need their name, and email address (to send the join message to 
them)

is there a non member form which people can use on rebol.org to get 
access here?

its not for a specific person... but if I add support information 
for remark and provide altme as a resource... I want them to be able 
to get a user without being a reboler.

No....because that form would have to ask for an email address, then 
we'd have to verify it wasn't just a drive by spamming, etc....Too 
much hassle at our end.

ok, I'll probably build a form on my site for them to request an 
altme user/password.  with email verification of course.

Sounds good!

I'll make that my first remark v2 form project  :-)  and I'll allow 
you to link to it from rebol.org if you want  :-)

Lost my worlds again...how often does this occur. 

I went months without seeing/knowing of this problem and now its 
twice in about two weeks...

When I was running multlple worlds it seemed like every month or 
two it would occur.  Then I shut down my seldomly used worlds and 
the I didn't get the problem for many months, and have only had it 
happen once or twice in the last year to year and a half.

amacleod -- it looks like AltME.com's world server went down for 
a time yesterday.
Could that have knocked your worlds out of orbit?

Does paying the register fee (to protect the world name) make a difference?

I have probably new bug with Altme server - I can't connect to world. 
It even does not try to, as I can't see any outgoing packets to IP 
of my world on particular port (xyz:5402). AltME client says - xyz 
exists, but not-online. But - our worlds ARE online. When I go to 
altme.com/check.html, the world seem to be online, and the site also 
is able to connect to it.


So I inspected TCP packets in Wireshark, and it states: "cmd: find 
data: ["xyz" 0 1.2.17.3.1 4811897].cmd: lookup data: inactive ."

OK, sent official mail to altme.com feedback describing the issue 
...

was contacted by Altme feedback .... wow, there's someone live :-)

who's there?

My guess, Carl's wife, Cindy.

Dunno - it was signed as Safeworld's technical support :-) The issue 
is still not resolved and I can't get to my worlds ....

Strong argument for sticking with FOSS

There's an old issue I hit again recently, where new connections 
to the world can't be made, but existing sessions still work. Restarting 
the world from a shortcut doesn't work to solve it. You have to start 
AltME and choose 'Start a World'.

Time to restart the OpenAltme project.

Anyone else seen a trojan warning for AltMe pop up in their antiv 
virus software? Microsoft Security Essentials just told me that there's 
a virus in one of the AltMe chat files. Any idea how to see to which 
group the file belongs? The file is called 380.set.

380.set is the "Chat (Not web-public)"

It is _unlikely_ to have a virus, as it is basically a text file 
consisting of REBOL blocks (you can load it into a text file to take 
a look) But who knows how clever virus writers are these days?

Yes, I've seen some false positives with REBOL products before.

If you look in the file:
   altme/worlds/rebol3/users.set
you can see the group-id to titles mapping.
Again, just a text file.

Yeah I'm sure it's just a false positive, I wasn't concerned or anything. 
I use Windows only for playing games, it doesn't have access to any 
important files and I use sandboxie for stuff I'm not sure about. 
Before MSE I used AntiVir and that one does report even more false 
positives, pretty annoying. Usually a company can contact anti virus 
software companies about these false positives in their products, 
do you know by any chance if that was done for REBOL in the past?
And thanks for the info about the file/group mapping :)

rebol/sdk also returns a false positive on several virus checkers

The Jan-2008 R3 alpha shows up as a false positive in AVG, still.

The MSE false positive for the chat set was for a javascript exploit. 
Were there any javascript discussions in that chat file?

If it is just a numeric mapping, it would be amusing if the numbers 
involved were also used in a javascript exploit :)

BrianH, I still got the chat  file in the MSE quarantine, I'll take 
a look at it next time I boot into Windows and look if there's any 
javascript code in it. At the moment I don't use it that often since 
Windows 7 keeps rebooting every few hours and messes up my new harddrive, 
seems to be a common problem with Windows 7. And it worked so nice 
for a couple of days, meh.

Heh .. there is a javascript channel here .. maybe someone posted 
some sample code?

damned - once again lost registration for my worlds. This is starting 
to become insane. It is at least 6th case in half a year. This service 
is becoming unreliable ....

I contacted Carl privately, I think that someone should provide some 
explanation to what and why is happening there.

Reichart and team could not duplicate or explain.  As I stated earlier, 
hosting only one world on the same system seemed to greatly reduce 
the occurences of this.  I was never given any info on what was done 
to identify the problem, but I also didn't push for it.  Maybe Reichart 
can add something on this?

I think he can't. Last I heard Altme is now fully handled by RT, 
hence Carl is probably the right person? :-)

I would like to know the mechanisms, which checks for the 10 day 
time-out period, so that it could free timeouted worlds. There must 
be bug there. Both my worlds were running yesterday, I visit them 
on regular basis. So I wonder how some script or whatever sits at 
altme.com, can fail on check here?

Lost my Worlds too...


Pekr, Do you think that is the problem some bug in the 10 day use 
limit?

If so, will subscribing the name stop this from happening? 

Does anyone here have ALtme "save" the world name for them and if 
so have they avoided this problem?