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[!AltME] Discussion about AltME

Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4035]
So, you use AltME for both server and client.
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4036]
But I can guarantee, that the worlds are used. I was online the same 
day, and in few hours, worlds were not accessible, and altme.com/check 
stated world names being available. That should not happen.
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4037x2]
Note that AltME when used as a server must be able to ping port 5500 
at regular intervals. That's how Safeworlds keeps your world registered.
If the Safeworlds server does not see the ping, then it cannot reset 
the timer on your world.
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4039]
yes, I run 50 mikrotik routers, I know what I am doing :-) But - 
you say I need to open port 5500 INTO my network?
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4040]
There are only two ways this can happen (that I can think of):
1. you have 5500 blocked (outgoing)

2. you are using AltServe (not AltME) and it does not ping (because 
it is commerical)
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4041]
I just don't know how to track it down. The only thing I can follow 
is docs, which state, that altme.com tries for 10 days ... but it 
is not the case.
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4042]
Try this in REBOL:
close open tcp://www.safeworlds.com:5500
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4043]
everything enablet (outgouing)
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4044]
I can grep the log... 1 min.
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4045x3]
It has to be open - I am right now on my own network.
It ran OK ... my public IP is - 193.85.151.2
In one case, I also notice bug with backport connection from altme.com. 
I mean - when trying to start 2 servers on one machine. It registered 
second world on the same port .... but I don't remember it exactly 
...
Graham
28-Dec-2009
[4048]
maybe all you need Pekr is a script that pings safeworlds on port 
5500
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4049]
Graham - no, that requirement is not there, and should not be there.
Steeve
28-Dec-2009
[4050]
Wow i'ts cheating :-)
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4051]
Xidys shows no server pings.
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4052]
I think, that altme.com stops pinging, or at some point mistakenly 
decides, that my worlds are not online for more than 10 days, and 
frees the names. That is the part I would try to look for the bug 
...
Graham
28-Dec-2009
[4053]
Pekr doesn't want solutions .. he wants a perrmanent fix
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4054]
Graham - if I would want a solution, I would pay few bucks for permanent 
registration and be done with it ... = noone would complain about 
apparent bug.
Graham
28-Dec-2009
[4055]
Pekr, your client is pinging safeworlds .. they're not pinging you!
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4056x2]
Carl - what do you mean by "ping"?
There is no such requirement in the docs!
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4058]
Yes, there is.
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4059]
don't tell me you can't ping 193.85.151.2
Graham
28-Dec-2009
[4060]
Pekr, does wireshark show any contact with the homeworld ..??
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4061]
Explanation: worlds know your IP because you send it to SafeWorlds 
server every 5 mins.
Graham
28-Dec-2009
[4062]
Altme must be calling home regularly so that mum knows you're alive 
and not to release your name
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4063x2]
This also allows dynamic IPs to operate.
This is also used to "lock" the world name from reuse.
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4065]
If I am online with 2 worlds right now, being connected to Xidys 
now = ports are OK
Graham
28-Dec-2009
[4066]
It's a heartbeart every 5 mins
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4067x2]
So just tell me, what your "ping" means ...
Normal ping to public (registered/sent) IP adress?
Graham
28-Dec-2009
[4069]
But if you run more than one world on the same IP address .. the 
"ping" must be also sending the world name
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4070x2]
Or you need DST NAT 5500 back to my world servers?
Graham - no, wrong - the "ping" is sending IP and port ...
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4072]
Yes, it sends world name and a hash key to authenticate your claim.
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4073x3]
hmm, maybe even the name, but it does not matter ...
Carl - to proceed - you said you can't ping Xidys ... what does it 
mean?
ping to public IP? Should work.
Graham
28-Dec-2009
[4076]
so does wireshark show that your altme sever is doing this??
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4077]
Or you need 5500 port being accessible to your server?
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4078]
You do not need 5500 inbound. Only outbound.
Graham
28-Dec-2009
[4079]
Xidys Altme server -- ( every 5 mins ) ---> safeworlds:5500
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4080x2]
Graham - doing what? ;-) My worlds are running, clients connected, 
so yes, my world is doing it :-)
Well, then everything is ok on my side. So why you are saying that 
you can't ping Xidys?
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[4082]
What I said above was that if I grep the log, I do not see a "live" 
message from your server.
Pekr
28-Dec-2009
[4083]
Graham - if port 5500 would not work, I think that altme name translation 
would not work ...
Graham
28-Dec-2009
[4084]
Pekr, you don't understand