World: r3wp

try starting it from the altme "Start a World" panel

start 29-Dec-2009/1:49:19+1:00 ["vertuzo" 5401 1.2.18 29-Dec-2009/1:49:19+1:00]
wns 29-Dec-2009/1:49:19+1:00 ["open" "vertuzo" 5401]
wns 29-Dec-2009/1:49:20+1:00 ["close" "vertuzo" lookup ok]

ping success!

command 28-Dec-2009/16:49:20-8:00 [193.85.151.2 {cmd: open data: 
["vertuzo" 0]}]

command 28-Dec-2009/16:50:27-8:00 [193.85.151.2 {cmd: live data: 
["vertuzo" 64#{kDj

hmm ....

so should I not start it via "start"? That sounds strange ... will 
turn the world off, and once again with old method ...

I think this was designed to sell AltServe products.

designed
? :-)

Safeworlds did not want to see people using or reselling AltME free 
product as a server. So, it does not initialize properly when used 
that way.

ok, I restarted it "the old way". I wanted to have it in .cmd, to 
auto-start servers, when machine reboots ...

It's a feature .. not a bug

LOL

Yes.

yes, but it contradicts docs.

I think the docs indicate script startup of free clients, not "free" 
servers.

Docs state, that world, if not used for 10 days, is freed. But it 
is not the case. The world is randomly freed even during its usage. 
The service is unreliable this way ...

Ok, I will bring up this problem and it can be discussed.

I think the big problem is that for users it creates a mystery problem, 
that just looks bad.

You must start your world at least every 10 days (or keep it running 
all the time), or you will lose your world name. If that happens, 
nobody will be able to connect to your world, and someone else can 
take your world name. You can keep your world safe for a small fee.

hmm, so now I understand it. I have to restart world at least once 
in 10 days, or it might loose registration? But my condition of "keep 
it running all the time" is met.

Yes, and that statement is true -- when world is started from AltME 
control panel.

The question now is, why doesn't it "ping", when started from .cmd

Ah... I know.

oh my ... what a logic. If I knew it, I would either buy world names, 
or just run it the manual way. It surely was not obvious to me, but 
imo is not obvious to most users too ...

When running AltME with -s, it runs like AltServe.... which never 
has to ping, because all AltServe worlds have permanently registered 
names.

I think that then docs should be corrected - few sentences would 
explain it clearly enough ...

So... very interesting. At least now we know the source of the problem..

Yes, docs must be updated.

so paying the sum fixes it ...

2:00 am here ... now before I go to sleep, I need some good news, 
e.g. when: host kit will allow View (merge of DELECT and commands), 
Extensions will allow Devices / Callbacks, and when are we back to 
VID? :-) - so that we can start porting R3 to WM and Android :-)

So let me get this clear in my head as I have the same problem with 
losing world names...if I start a world from the altme start console 
and leave it running it will be fine but if  I start it with -s (as 
I do in a shortcut icon in my 'startup' programs menu (incase of 
a reboot) I will loose the world in 10 days as it is in server mode 
and does not pink safeworlds?

pink > ping

exactly ... but as we know, it is not automatic. You MIGHT loose 
it, if you don't start it at least once in 10 days (imo even in -s 
mode)

but if you start it from the panel, it should be OK ....

Good to know, thanks

is there a way to "mark all messages as read" in a list?

in AltME I mean.

Unfortunately no. It's a much requested feature.

AltME running like crap right now.

Yep.. has been some time today.   Busy, doing some update, Busy, 
losing some posts..

Based on messages on Advocacy I would estimate that the problems 
started at 19:50  (+- 2 minutes) GMT, that´s almost 2 hours ago from 
the moment I´m writing this.

We've seen this before. Usually it suddenly stops if Carl reboots 
the server or if the network reasserts itself. In the meantime we'll 
have to live with it for the 1-2 days it usually lasts.

its real bad this time...and a little different than previous slowdowns..

less 'internet busy' and more just real slow and no updates of worlds 
until clicked on.

It's totally stable here now.

It's been like this intermittently for the last couple of days ...

Would be cool if this message window also had a console like feature 
where I could use it to do some functions like a calculator or other 
limited functionality.

has there been a silent upgrade to AltMe lately? since a week or 
two, when opening AltMe, its window will resize fullscreen and no 
way to resize it, it will keep resizing fullscreen.. OSX10.6.2 AltMe 
1.2.17

This is an old bug. Can't remember how to fix it, though...

Group !Rebol3 is not visible for me (dissappeared) anybody else?

found it.. in prefs/window , change:
	maxed: true
to:
	maxed: none