World: r3wp

agree

I wonder if we shouldn't just move to rebol4 world .... and leave 
this one

It's hard for new people to sync all the messages and to post here.

I don't like how recent altme updates treat msg post. The caching 
(or undo) should be done some other way. This grey area blocking 
unless the message is delivered makes AltME feel like the JS crap 
out there ;-)

It interrupts my flood of thougts. I am used to send, and imediatelly 
starting to type new msg. So - as for me, the new implementation 
of lost-post-protection does not feel right here ...

True... I think the trick might be to make it look like it used to, 
but put a [Sending] message at the top (for example).  You can go 
on and send more, which get cached.  If anyone fails to send, or 
too much time goes by it changes to something like like ["Timed out"]. 
 This is a button in fact, so clicking on it will let you resend, 
and you have not lost the message, or where to post it.


This is our plan on Qtask well, which indeed is JS crap.  Bit by 
bit we are all in this industry figuring out how to make everything 
"Feel" better.  Sometimes it is simply reversing the order of things. 
 Same time, but it just looks better...

I'm getting a busy signal again ... is it only me?

Maybe it's just me, but I never try to start typing until a message 
is properly sent in any IM program, so the feel is right for me. 
Also doing it this way makes it clear what you are sending.

Alternatively, the message is immediately put at the bottom with 
a "sending..." notifiier which disappears when the message is sent. 
That might be problematic for message sequencing in the list, though.

http://www.rebol.net/altweb/rebol3/

are not being updated

for me I've been stinged so often, and the delays are so short that 
i like the new system.. it could be a bit less dark.. it seems a 
bit "drastic" to me... seems to make it more dramatic than it really 
is.

Still more to do on it... the original plan from long ago was to 
put it in the list immediately, like other IMs... but indicate that 
it is pending (in date field.)

ALERT: an OS X Intel update to AltME is on www.altme.com/download

www.altme.com/download.html

To install, click on the "Run from current location"... otherwise 
it may hang (not sure why)

But, at least it runs now Intel native (via 2.7.7)

Also: OS X PPC and Linux libc6 AltME updated

The vote in my parts is against the gray box/input freeze while waiting 
confirmation of post sent. We are in the habit of starting a new 
post before the msg is received - we can handle the mix up it sometimes 
creates. But not the annoyance of typing into nothingness for a few 
seconds.

People can always revert to an earlier version of Altme ...

... maybe .....if they're still available to download

I understand... just putting in our vote in here.

I personally think it's crazy for us to rely so much on a closed 
source tool ...

I generally agree - at least the posts themselves are human readable.

And YueM has a lot of valid points http://synapse-ehr.com/forums/showthread.php?11-ALTME-is-buggy

Our tools should not be a block for new users just because they're 
not on broadband

I agree completely

I can't check on Rebol3 when I'm travelling or at the cottage. Impossible. 
But I don't use Altme for mission critical stuff - just to keep in 
touch with family. Still looking for something private and not as 
buggy as altme.

If you click to a new group before a message send is complete, the 
edit area gets stuck with a gray background. I want the old version 
back.

Yeah, that's a new "feature". Carl suggested puting the pending message 
in the grid instead, but hasn't done that yet.

altme should just add a pull-down to recuperate past posts, sort 
of like a "sent" group.  that would solve the issue for everyone.

At least we don't have these issues http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/

John Resig abandoning googlegroups due to spam

With over 21,000 developers I suspect Altme is not going to be a 
good match either!

I don'tt even know if there's a way to moderate new user messages 
....

Is it me, or can users no longer change their own passwords?

I would think that's a bug ....

Hmm.. .I think it does actually change the password ...just gives 
that eroneous message

Ah, I didn't try the new password.  It was for my laptop which has 
been acting up lately.  I couldn't login to AltME so went to the 
desktop to change it.  When I got the error message I didn't even 
try to login again with the laptop.

I couldn't login at first .. so I'm guessing that means my password 
was changed

it would be nice to add in http://www.rebol.net/altweb/rebol3/!REBOL3GUI 
and !REBOL3 Network Scheme !!!!!!!!!

Uae the rebol.org feed .. the rebol.net one is broken

As Graham says, the REBOL.org archive does cover the network shemes 
group:
  http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp763x1814

But not the REBOL3 GUI group -- Brian did not set that to [web-public] 
-- if he his happy for it to be [web-public] we can easily add it 
to the archive.
Please report rebol.net problems via RAMBO for best results.

Can a Master please create a group for DevCon2010

Can't you??

Nope, I get "Sorry, not allowed... You do not have permission to 
create or change groups. Contact the WorldMaster if necessary."

group create/remove permissions were resinded after the "epic" (and 
involuntary ;-)  removal of multiple groups only a few users now 
have those rights.

That's curious .... I was able to create the group ....

seems like you're in the select group.  :-)

Perhaps being the most prolific poster of all time has its priviliges

What is Devcon2010 ?  :)

hehe... if you didn't know how to manage groups by this time then... 
there would be a serious mental issue  ;-)