World: r3wp

humff.. I want power to edit groups as well, please Master allow 
me, I promess I'll be nice!

Tried to go back to version 1.2.17 of altme, keeps updating to the 
current version. And under windows 7, when I delete the program from 
the program directory and copy the older version altme, it doesn't 
even ask me if I want to update now or next time, it just starts 
with the latest version! It's frustrating. I want the old version 
back - without the grey frozen box.

Me too.

we got a new version just now - same grey box though. I wonder what 
problem people had that is solved by this wait period - it solves 
nothing for my guys anyway.

It's a lighter grey box in 1.2.22, and it goes away earlier in the 
process. The freezes were from before the grey was added.

really! Yes we noticed the grey was lighter. Gave us a laugh :)

More importantly, it goes away when AltME has confirmed that the 
message has gone through, not when it was done coming back (as in 
1.2.21) or just throwing it away (as in 1.2.17).

ic

A lighter shade of grey?  Is this a Procol Harum revival?

lighter?

ah yes.. is much less aggressive  :-)

we noticed that 1.2.17 was loosing some posts - but we like to hit 
enter to separate messages and keep on writing the next one without 
waiting for the post to show. We miss that badly

graham, wasn't that a lighter shade of pale?

Ah, I compose posts and use ^s. Different interaction model. I lost 
messages with the old version a lot. Even in 1.2.21 some messages 
didn't go through, but at least they aren't lost any more - I can 
resend.

I must say that since the server is on the linode box... its been 
just about rock solid.

(the server)

I still have problems, mostly due to frequently-frozen-client and 
internet dropouts. At least messages aren't lost now.

denis, yes!  :)

I would prefer that the message be saved somewhere ... and available 
in a button to restore than this effect,  That's how I did it in 
the Synapse chat client.

Infact I think I kept a  history so that if you posted to the wrong 
group, you could recall your message and repost.

once again altme reports a trojan on Vista: Category: Trojan


Description: This program is dangerous and executes commands from 
an attacker.

Recommendation: Remove this software immediately.


Microsoft Security Essentials detected programs that may compromise 
your privacy or damage your computer. You can still access the files 
that these programs use without removing them (not recommended). 
To access these files, select the 'Allow' action and click 'Apply 
actions'. If this option is not available, log on as administrator 
or ask the local administrator for help.

Items: 
file:C:\Altme\worlds\rebol3\chat\380.set->(SCRIPT0001)

Get more information about this item online.

and what group is set 380?

Luckily it's a group I unsubbed a while ago

380 is Chat (not web public)

As with all AltME *.set files, it is just a fiile of REBOL blocks, 
each block containing text entries that define one post


It is possible that it has lots of REBOL code thta people have posted. 
Pehaps source code in other languages too; and maybe some REBOL molded 
binary #{....}


Hard to see how that could damage your computer....Unless it has 
become infected in some other way. Have you tried deleting the world 
and restarting it? That would get you the canonical 380.set (assumimg 
you are a member of that group)

These are just false alarms ....

Maybe someone was discussing JS malware there.

Yes, IIRC 380 was the same one as last time, some Javascript code 
where someone was asking about an exploit

I've run a virus scan against that file, and the software I am using 
does not detect any threats.

i was in the process of installing a new version.  I knew it was 
a false alarm though.

this was the Ms virus program btw

though symantec did it once to me as well

Just wondering the one of the moderators would like to go thru and 
revise the default markers and groups

I just experienced my first 'freeze' of AltME in how many... seven 
or so years?

While I was typing a message, after just turning on my PC and not 
working on anything else.  I had been in AltME for no longer than 
5 minutes and only read a single group.

Is it possible your entire system was doing memory management, unrelated 
to AltME, or are you sure it was JUST ALTME?  AS in, you could still 
interact with other things?

Also, what is your history set to?  Is it over 1000 messages back?

Would it be possible to use something like SQLite on the client side? 
I think AM is not fast enough to use. And I don't want to set a message 
limit, I just want to click a group/chat and have it there. Being 
able to make fast queries.

There is a point with any data set where you have to decide "how" 
to present the data fast.

Usually levels of caches, and prediction can make this seem real 
time, andonly when you go to edit something do things slow down in 
the background.

Almost every system out there that is fast in fact shows some subset 
(like 100 lines) at a time. the pulls in the next.
AltME was an all or nothing thing.

SQL is likely to be overkill for AltME data -- especially as some 
posts are very short (LOL) so the meta data and keys are several 
times the length of the primary content.

We picked a different data structure to all-or-nothing in the REBOL.org 
archive (more of a balanced tree), but then we had a different set 
of priorities and operating conditions:
  http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp151x4488

Ok

I wonder if it would be better to cache messages only as you read 
them ... and pull only unread messages when you want to read them 
.. so we wouldn't have this issue of new users syncing 50 mb of messages

And that might fix the resync bug too!

Perhaps the space for the unsynced messages could be allocated and 
the messages themselves could be initially synced in the background, 
with on-demand messages (the ones visible to the user) being given 
priority.

That might cause issues if you want to allow users to edit sent message 
though if they are now cached on client machines.

sparse matrix

But we don't allow users to edit sent messages.

*if* ...

And such edits would be new messages (though backdated) even if we 
allowed that.

And it's *they* and not *we* unless you're now working on Altme!

Heck, I can barely keep up with the R3 and R2 mezzanines :(

To state it differently, the cache size is what I can see on screen.

When I start scrolling, the visislbe range needs to slide over the 
whole messages available.