World: r3wp

I clicked on the button to show me the details and then it didn't 
offer to update again

It took me to this page
http://www.altme.com/new.html

Are you stuck on an older version than 1.2.25 ?

1.2.24 ...

I have 1.2.25 here.

I had the same thing Graham.....But when I restarted AltME, it was 
1.2.25.

it was in an upgrade loop .. kept asking me to upgrade to .25 after 
I upped

Search and extract AltME messages:
http://anton.wildit.net.au/rebol/util/AltME/AltME-helper-funcs.r

For anyone using Vista or Sys7, there is a new AltME to test that 
installs better:

  www.altme.com/download/altme26c.exe


We want to release it in about 12 hours, so if you have any problems, 
please let me know.

Just tried it on Vista:

-- needed Admin level to install in current folder installation folder

-- PCTool's Threatfire reported it as "high risk" -- because it was 
copying files to multiple locations

-- did a resync, downloaded a lot of older messages, and turned many 
groups red....Not in itself a bad thing as that could properly sync 
some groups with missing messages; but a little surprising as most 
of the red groups had no new messages.

What was the current folder you were trying to install to?

The current folder it is installed in:
  program files/altme

And did it pop up a UAC prompt? It it was installing to any of the 
program files directories, it should have asked for admin by a UAC 
prompt.

And if it did, it should have put its data files somewhere under 
the user data directories, not in program files.

I'm not saying that is what it did for me, I'm saying that is what 
an app should do, especially on Vista/7/2008.

No, it popped up an AktME box saying iy could not install for one 
of two reasons:
-- altme already running (it was not)
-- needs admin-level permission
I restarted it with admin-level permission


It looks like the data files have been installed in a different location 
to where they were before. This may be a good thing in the longer-term. 
But a little confusing just now.

Sorry -- got to go now.....Back in 12 hours.

AltME is a tiny program that doesn't handle any file extensions. 
It should be installing under C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local (for the 
Brian user, i.e.). You can get that value from the "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell 
Folders" key, in the "Local AppData" value.

That will work on any version of Windows starting with 2000, and 
possibly earlier.

Personally, I run AltME as a portable app, but if I ran it as a local 
app that is where I would put it. Chrome installs in the same location 
too.

To clarify: AltME attempts to install in %appdata% (which is the 
path indicated above by BrianH.) It then uses "local" not "roaming".

However, for a "reinstall" vs a "fresh install" it will try to use 
your older installed location. That's why the above happened.

I suppose that this feature should be "removed" -- what do you think?

what feature?  the reinstall?

Reinstall using the prior location rather than the appdata location.

you could copy the files to the new installation path. on people 
with slow or buggy connections, this will make a huge impact.

Yes... I was thinking of doing that.

that would be the best solution. it makes Altme windows compliant, 
from that point on.

I wonder if Vista/Sys7 will complain if we copy files (read access) 
out of that dir?

(I don't use Vista or Sys7, and plan never to do so.)

It shoudn't complain, AFAIK.

Strange. The "reinstall" method is commented out. It would only use 
PF dir if appdata var has no value.

Sunanda, what OS are you running?

Whoops, sorry, no. Wrong version. Ignore last msg.

If you are fixing the Windows Virtual Store problem (which is a Windows 
problem that AltME is a victim of) then a little bit of inconvenience 
to fix it is acceptable -- at least to me.

Interestingly, it looks to me like this world got resynced, but the 
other worlds I look at regularly (eg REBOL-gate) did not....So perhaps 
the resync was an artefact of the upgrade; and it did not affect 
worlds opened after the upgrade was complete.

Yes, it needs to be fixed. Too many users having problems.

Odd problem... that resync for this world.

Carl, you should also try running AltME in XP or 2000 as a regular 
user (not "Power User" or admin), without making any changes to the 
permissions of the AltME directory. Oh, and your %appdata% to local 
trick won't work on XP or 2000 because the naming convention for 
the directories is different. The registry method works for all Windows 
2000+ though.

We normally test with regular user (Cindy's task.)

%appdata% works on XP.  Perhaps added to an SP?


This release should do the right thing. Even if you installed earlier 
in PF, it will try to move it, unless you opt not to.

www.altme.com/download/altme26e.exe

You will need to reinstall with it, or run with +i on command line 
to force reinstall.

Checking in. I guess it works ok?

Other than the install issue, it's working well for me.

Another oddity.....I just entered this world after rekeying my username 
and password (rather than taking the usual on-screen saved values).

That seems to have triggered a resync of the checklists. No idea 
if it updated any, just that it checked them all for updates.

Total message count over all groups of this world (or at least those 
I have %.set files for), per year:
  51628 2005
  46135 2006
  44907 2007
  34882 2008
  61481 2009
  39180 2010

Script used:

$ rebol -qs --do 'foreach f remove-each f read d: %worlds/rebol3/chat/ 
[not %.set = suffix? f] [foreach r next load/all join d f [print 
r/2/year]] q' | sort | uniq -c

Is there a way to be notified of a private chat message on AltME 
in a more intrusive way than just turning the user name red? I usually 
have the All Users section collapsed because I want the groups to 
be front and foremost so I don't notice new private messages unless 
I expand the users section. I just noticed now that I had some messages 
from Graham and Ladislav from July. Sorry guys, didn't mean to ignore 
you - just didn't notice.

For me, the All Users title bar turns red and I have it at the top, 
so that's how I notice when I have private messages, even if the 
list is collapsed.

well, it is sufficient for me the way you described it. When I sync, 
when I see "All users" in red, I go there first, to see private messages 
... hmm, maybe I am still waiting, when one day, I will see the private 
message from Carl, informing me, that Google, Microsoft, IBM just 
agreed to use REBOL as their primary dev. tool, and that Google bought 
Amiga for him, and that new Amiga is about to be launched, with REBOL 
based OS :-D

For me a more realistic expectation is to have right-click-to-copy-text 
working more than once.

can one of you send me a test ping? - maybe I'm just blind and didn't 
notice the header turning red

also I sort by activity rather than users. that helps too.

thanks - I'm blind - I'll have to be more observant

You could, technically, write a few lines of REBOL that looks for 
changes in the Chat files (there is one for each group), and pop 
up a requester on your screen.

Perhaps it would be interesting if AltME could run a script on every 
new message.