World: r3wp

Reinstall using the prior location rather than the appdata location.

you could copy the files to the new installation path. on people 
with slow or buggy connections, this will make a huge impact.

Yes... I was thinking of doing that.

that would be the best solution. it makes Altme windows compliant, 
from that point on.

I wonder if Vista/Sys7 will complain if we copy files (read access) 
out of that dir?

(I don't use Vista or Sys7, and plan never to do so.)

It shoudn't complain, AFAIK.

Strange. The "reinstall" method is commented out. It would only use 
PF dir if appdata var has no value.

Sunanda, what OS are you running?

Whoops, sorry, no. Wrong version. Ignore last msg.

If you are fixing the Windows Virtual Store problem (which is a Windows 
problem that AltME is a victim of) then a little bit of inconvenience 
to fix it is acceptable -- at least to me.

Interestingly, it looks to me like this world got resynced, but the 
other worlds I look at regularly (eg REBOL-gate) did not....So perhaps 
the resync was an artefact of the upgrade; and it did not affect 
worlds opened after the upgrade was complete.

Yes, it needs to be fixed. Too many users having problems.

Odd problem... that resync for this world.

Carl, you should also try running AltME in XP or 2000 as a regular 
user (not "Power User" or admin), without making any changes to the 
permissions of the AltME directory. Oh, and your %appdata% to local 
trick won't work on XP or 2000 because the naming convention for 
the directories is different. The registry method works for all Windows 
2000+ though.

We normally test with regular user (Cindy's task.)

%appdata% works on XP.  Perhaps added to an SP?


This release should do the right thing. Even if you installed earlier 
in PF, it will try to move it, unless you opt not to.

www.altme.com/download/altme26e.exe

You will need to reinstall with it, or run with +i on command line 
to force reinstall.

Checking in. I guess it works ok?

Other than the install issue, it's working well for me.

Another oddity.....I just entered this world after rekeying my username 
and password (rather than taking the usual on-screen saved values).

That seems to have triggered a resync of the checklists. No idea 
if it updated any, just that it checked them all for updates.

Total message count over all groups of this world (or at least those 
I have %.set files for), per year:
  51628 2005
  46135 2006
  44907 2007
  34882 2008
  61481 2009
  39180 2010

Script used:

$ rebol -qs --do 'foreach f remove-each f read d: %worlds/rebol3/chat/ 
[not %.set = suffix? f] [foreach r next load/all join d f [print 
r/2/year]] q' | sort | uniq -c

Is there a way to be notified of a private chat message on AltME 
in a more intrusive way than just turning the user name red? I usually 
have the All Users section collapsed because I want the groups to 
be front and foremost so I don't notice new private messages unless 
I expand the users section. I just noticed now that I had some messages 
from Graham and Ladislav from July. Sorry guys, didn't mean to ignore 
you - just didn't notice.

For me, the All Users title bar turns red and I have it at the top, 
so that's how I notice when I have private messages, even if the 
list is collapsed.

well, it is sufficient for me the way you described it. When I sync, 
when I see "All users" in red, I go there first, to see private messages 
... hmm, maybe I am still waiting, when one day, I will see the private 
message from Carl, informing me, that Google, Microsoft, IBM just 
agreed to use REBOL as their primary dev. tool, and that Google bought 
Amiga for him, and that new Amiga is about to be launched, with REBOL 
based OS :-D

For me a more realistic expectation is to have right-click-to-copy-text 
working more than once.

can one of you send me a test ping? - maybe I'm just blind and didn't 
notice the header turning red

also I sort by activity rather than users. that helps too.

thanks - I'm blind - I'll have to be more observant

You could, technically, write a few lines of REBOL that looks for 
changes in the Chat files (there is one for each group), and pop 
up a requester on your screen.

Perhaps it would be interesting if AltME could run a script on every 
new message.

The input would be user, timestamp and message. Then you can do what 
you want with that information.

AltMe is missing a read-only role for some groups. This would make 
it possible to make "private" groups and let others monitor it.

Nice idea Henrik -- I could definitely use that ability.

Nice idea Robert.....we could (partially) fake that by having private 
groups that are [web-public]  -- they'd show up on REBOL.org's public 
archive.

[Right now, those settings would not cause the group to be published, 
but we could tweak that]

Indeed, a few "little" tweaks would make AltME much better for these 
refined needs.  Perhaps one day.  But, we can make do with what we 
have too...

Adrian, two suggestions.  Make sure to use the WorldMasters Dividers, 
then also make sure to show Newest Messages first (as suggested by 
Henrik).  Both can be selected by clicking the wrench icon in the 
top right of the user list.  If you make a habit of minimizing all 
dividers, you will always see the dividers that have last received 
an update.

When a divider turns red, you open it.  Then the latest updated groups 
will display at the top of the opened divider.  You can't miss an 
update this way.

Thanks Brock - I did have them sorted that way, but I guess I just 
didn't notice the collapsed user section even though it was red - 
since I hardly ever get direct messages, I need more than the color 
change to get me to notice. Maybe some flashing and beeping :-)

Can we setup a "Cross-Check" group to cross-check for stuff that 
others might have done before starting on ones own?

That sounds like a good idea to me.

Although, isn't that dead on for what "chat" or any default group 
would be for in this world?

Couldn't most of what we do here fall under Chat? I see it as a cross 
between a Wanted group and Amazon's Mechanical Turk. :-)

Chat is less technically oriented to me.

True, just saying, if you ask a question, it will get answered.

The typing area shows what is being posted ... and goes gray

But I think it should be considered a bug that you can still edit 
it... and those edits are *not* sent

I looked up an old post (2007) talking about how to start Altme Worlds 
on windows start-up. Brock had the answer but I could never get it 
to work. Three years later, I decided to try again. Here are some 
lessons I learned along the way:

Precautions:

You may want to back up the altme folder just in case something goes 
awry. You will also need to know where the files are located.

You may also want to create another temporary worldmaster user and 
note the password. If you're like me, it has been a long time since 
I had to type in the user password.


1. Before you turn off your worlds, go to http://www.altme.com/check.html
and check your world(s). Note the port number and write it down.

2. Create a shortcut icon on your desktop to altme if you don't already 
have one. Do this by right clicking on altme and select "Send to/Desktop."

2. Right mouse click your "Start" menu (I only did this in XP so 
adjust for any changes you might have in your OS) and choose "Explore." 
An "explorer" window will open.

3. Go to the "Start Menu" folder in the the explorer folder tree 
in the left column. In the right column open up "programs" then open 
up "Startup."

4. Drag the altme shortcut icon from the desktop to the startup folder.

5. If you have more than one world, right-click on the just added 
altme shortcut icon and rename it to something like altme-worldname.

6. Show the properties of the just added altme icon by right-clicking 
and choosing properties.

7. There, in the "Target" field, you will add on to what should already 
be there. It should have something like: "C:\Program Files\altme\altme.exe", 
telling the OS where to find altme and the name of the actual program. 
As you may know, the quotes are there because the "Program Files" 
folder has a space in it. Leave it as is and add:

-s "yourworldname" - p the-port-number. E.g., "C:\Program Files\altme\altme.exe" 
-s "myworld" -p 5402. Do not close the properties window but continue 
to the next step.

8. Below the "Target" field you will see the "Start in" field. There, 
enter where altme and its server files exist. The top level folder 
is enough. E.g., "C:\Program Files\altme\" 

9. Apply the changes to the properties and try it out by making sure 
the world is not running and then clicking on the altme icon in the 
Startup folder. This saves you from having to reboot if a mistake 
was made. You should see the familiar altme server window pop up.

10. You need to also check by logging into the world through the 
client. If you can and the data is all there. Great. The only thing 
left is to reboot and make sure it loads by itself.

11. Repeat for all the worlds you have. You'll end up with n altme 
icons each with a different name. 

Things that went wrong:
Before the server could be launched properly via the icon

1. Getting the wrong syntax in the properties/Target. - I thought 
everything had to be enclosed in a single quote string but it doesn't.
After the server was launched

1. Couldn't connect to the altme world - Seem to be related to the 
port #'s I was using. I went back and launched the worlds the manual 
way and checked the ports on the altme website.

2. Could connect but no users. - This had to do with "Start in" info 
or lack thereof. Altme was looking for the data in the Startup folder 
as opposed to my regular altme folder. Your actual data should be 
fine and of course you made a backup, right?

3. Some data (posts) got mixed up - Who knows on that one. I made 
so many attempts, I may have confused something.

4. My user profile was gone or had a different name. - Again, my 
guess is that this was due to the "Start in" info. Worst case, try 
the default "Master" "pass" user. I ended up using another known 
user (hence, my advice to create a temp worldmaster user), then I 
renamed the user I knew was me to me. Weird but it happened in a 
couple of my worlds but only to my profile.

5. I made a copy of the actual altme.exe and named it altme2.exe 
thinking that perhaps this was the problem. The target was then changed 
to reflect it. Don't do this, it  is not necessary and may freak 
you out.


Now I have 4 worlds up and automatically running when I need to reboot 
the server. Yea.

Congrats James and thanks for the extra info.

James, Cool.  I threw this into Qtask's REBOL-SIG project, and made 
it into a Wiki (you can edit it there if you like, as can others).

Here is a syndicated link for everyone.

https://www.qtask.com/qwiki.cgi?mode=previewSynd&uuid=XM56AUYGPJ6XSE5N8BUYLQX3W2QT


(Fixed your dupplicate numbers also.  What ever you used put two 
2, and two 1s.  I usually number "steps" and use bullets for lists 
that can change order).

Thanks Reichart and Brock. I'm a happy camper now and can reboot 
my server any time without that  oh man, now I have to start all 
those worlds again. :-)

Hello everybody, anytime I start AltMe I receive the message that 
there is a file to download. If I click yes, I obtain (you aren't 
allowed). If I click no, next time I start AltMe I obtain again the 
message.
Is there a way  to stop this pop-up?

I've never seen this message though others report it