World: r3wp

The solution is known as well - add enter for each 40 chars of the 
URL length :)

why aren't all of the !REBOL3 groups web-public?  I think they are 
the best source of news for what is going on with R3 right now.

for example, the host-kit and extensions group are the best reference 
for someone wanting to get up to speed.  it has discussions and a 
few web links on further on-line resources which some of us have 
posted.

Good points, Max.

Given posts-to-date have been made on the assumption that they are 
not [web public], we'd need some general agreement from the contributors 
(or at least no vetos) before transitioning to web public.
So.....anyone object?

I agree with Maxim, that it should be public.

!REBOL3 Gui is now [web-public] -- may take an hour for the content 
to fully apear on REBOL.org.

I'll change the others in the next couple of days, unless there are 
any objections.

if I move my altme folder to another windows installation will it 
still work fine?  sorry for the nOOb question

it should work, yes

do I need to copy any other files too?

I'm just amazed the program and data all fit in 52.5mb

copy: I don't think so, just the AltME directory. It's possible that 
you may have trouble starting it from the start menu, if you have 
not installed it first. I'm not sure.

also, you can run several instances simultaneously to the same world, 
so you are free to test it out first.

ah just need to drag a shortcut, should be easy enough.  This system 
is being formatted thats all and I didn't want to redownload all 
content again

ok, if you have two machines, you can easily try it out.

very true

I am using altme from time to time from my USB stick (a bit slow, 
due probably to slow flash disk plus the way how altme relies on 
heavy file access, but still usable), and the only thing I need is 
to just copy it ...

I really like copy&run aproach ...

copied, working fine, although I had to go through the simple installation 
process on other pc.  the exe wouldn't just 'run'  - all data seems 
fine

me too, I am so used to having to try and export stuff and then import 
in a new install

Is there a group, interest for REBOL IDE ?

yes

Linux 1.2.25 altme in response to click on a URL in a post reports 
copy to clipboard.  Nix occurs on Gnome desktop.  Is this true for 
KDE ?

It's the X11 clipboard hell. There are two of them, and AltME uses 
the one where you have to use middle mouse click to paste in X apps

Also, the order is critical. You have to empty the target area in 
the X app, then cut in AltME, then go back to the X app and use middle 
click to paste

Welcome to state of the art technology in the year 2011

Welcome to an OS with two clipboards :(

F*** Altme; it's currently reloading all Groups (incidentaly old 
messages are lost) because of a power outage.
I HATE THIS.

logon 4-Jan-2011/20:16:26+1:00 ["on" "Rebol3" "Steeve" 69.164.199.93 
5400]
note 4-Jan-2011/20:17+1:00 ["Forcing update on msg set" 146]
note 4-Jan-2011/20:17+1:00 ["Forcing update on msg set" 148]
note 4-Jan-2011/20:17+1:00 ["Forcing update on msg set" 150]
...
note 4-Jan-2011/20:25:51+1:00 ["Forcing update on msg set" 832]

Steeve, I'm a little confused, you say it "lost" something.  That 
should not be the case.

Just unstall AltME, and then reinstall it, it "should" grab a fresh 
copy of everything.


There is a bug that sometimes means you have to post something in 
a group to get it to kick start.  But in general, this should work.

It will take a few minutes to get everything, but you should be all 
fresh and happy once it does.

I'm connected on a restricted wifi spot. The connections on ports 
other than 80 are slow like Hell and indue lot of reco/deco (timeout 
frequently reached in Altme).

Due to that, reloading everything in altme is the worst experience.

indue = implies 
(don't ask)

Read it on the web

Maybe R can feed it into qtask ... ?

Reichart, a lot of messages here were actually lost (though some 
users may have complete backups), because of a server issue. The 
data was lost on the server, then synced empty datasets to all clients. 
Not sure if you were around much when that happened, so you may have 
missed it.

I wouldn't be "all fresh and happy" - I'd be a little bit grumpy 
about it.
But I'm interested in how the old messages were lost.
Did the power outage occur when AltME was writing files?

Perhaps we could place all the world files in a Git repo and run 
a cron job to update the repo regularly.

Has anyone done something like that?

I missed that horror.

With a slow connection, when datasets are large and take too much 
time to reload, Altme performs an automatic deco/reco and all the 
current loading is lost.
Probably because it fails to ping the server during the load.

Entering in endless attemps to reload and reload the same dataset 
(not sure though).

It's an OLD issue, I already notified that in the past. several times.

but I always had trouble making myself trust by people who do have 
not that problem.

I missed that horror.

With a slow connection, when datasets are large and take too much 
time to reload, Altme performs an automatic deco/reco and all the 
current loading is lost.
Probably because it fails to ping the server during the load.

Entering in endless attemps to reload and reload the same dataset.

It's an OLD issue, I already notified that in the past. several times.

but I always had trouble making myself trust by people who do have 
not that problem.

What would be useful isd for RT (or whoever currently holds the development 
rights for AltME) to publish the API that syncs the local copy with 
the server.

Then the better programmers among us could write a resync/repair 
tool. Run that routinely before starting AltME, and a number of issues 
(like the . problem) may be solved.

I don't know that it was a power outage. It was something about files 
being truncated on the server, then synced to clients, IIRC.

It was during a move, so probably simply not moved or unpacked

AltME already attempts to repair message databases since a year or 
two; it just doesn't work well enough

who cares about old messages ? noone read them anyway ...

flush out the altme is great altme has the right too forget things 
and start blank :)

It's easy enough to archive/delete dead groups......Would you like 
to propose a candidate list?

I would make the case that anyone wanting to write a book about the 
emergence of R3 from an engineering standpoint might want  access 
to an altme archive ... or has that ship also sailed ?  Also quite 
open/transparent:  IO language IRC exchanges and the evolution of 
the Falcon language at falconpl.org with their maillist.  But Carl 
is talking about getting rid of the maillist for Rebol - when archived 
maillists are often so useful in hindsight. ...

footnote: the Griswold papers on SNOBOL and ICON ended up in the 
library at UMN - his collaborators may never have thought of posterity 
taking an interest.

Only when they're used. Many of the people in the community don't 
really use email anymore (including Carl and me).

I'm not opposed to having the mailing list continue, but really dread 
having to use it, which I will have to if it starts being used.