World: r3wp

IIRC my main concern with desktop was, there was no launch enabled, 
so it was only usable with tricks. And encapping made no sense because 
launching scripts was is prohibited. And then, after a while one 
had to search for the source, it was somewhere hidden.

part of RT's problems lies in the way information is scattered all 
around

About Terry, well, thats his language.. ;) That Reichart sometimes 
says "comming soon" and then it takes month i agree. OTOH altme works 
and works and recycles and works.

True.

Wikipedia def: "Vaporware (also spelled vapourware) is software or 
hardware which is announced by a developer well in advance of release, 
but which then fails to emerge, either with or without a protracted 
development cycle. "

perhaps i should have said "protracted development cycle" instead

Uh oh, an potential Altme killer made with AJAX   http://ccml01.medien.uni-weimar.de:8071/simplechat

I've yet to see an IM done well within a browser...

We have a couple computers in our office running altme that don't 
seem to behave like they used to. When we get new messages the icon 
no longer blinks. Anyone have a fix for this? I think it's a setting 
in windows because at home it works like a charm.

james, are you sure it hasn't been turned off in the AltME settings?

Yep.

I would say "Reinstall Windows", but that joke isn't even funny anymore

I think it is a setting in windows or perhaps some type of pop-up 
stopper gone mad. No worries. Just a minor an
noyance.

But you're right. That's the way we fix things.

The "AltME killer" above seems to have been killed :-) Error 500

altmedotted by us?!

wondering about how much bandwidth AltME takes... would it be too 
much for a GPRS connection?

AltME shuld be the best option you would have for a GRPS connection, 
since we only send deltas.

my ADSL is very unstable right now.... and modem is way too expensive 
for chatting/idling

uh oh, is it really so big trouble to "recompile" with 1.3 View? 
AltME keep crashing on me each week :-)

Why would AltME "start" crashing.  Do you belong to more than one 
world?  Can you confirm that it is really AltME?  As in, does it 
only crash in this (big) world, and never crashes in a smaller world?

he probably means the recycle error ..

yes, the recycle error. I use only this one world ...

Ah, then the answer to your question is : 100% of our energy is going 
into AltME 2.  It is not worth fixing that error (which is in Rebol 
I should mention), since we will be working with Carl when we wrap 
this up.

when? Wouldn't it be just a hour of work or so, to encap using View 
1.3 SDK?

I completely understand your reasoning,

But, in our universe we:


1. Make change systematically from a giant list of features and bugs. 
 The means multiple people checking in code that is often changed 
several dozen times and overlapped by different people.


2. The once compiled, an array of computers and operating systems 
are cleaned (often reinstalled from ghosted images of hard drives) 
and sent through a complete test suite.  


3. If anything fails…the team has to be taken off what ever they 
are working on at that moment.  Then repeat the test cycle.

This is what we release as Alpha or Beta.  Gamma is a nightmare.


These realities are interleaved with all the different products we 
work on.  It means that before we do a release candidate of anything 
we have to weigh our test-team's schedule, confirm the majority of 
developers are available.  And not just for the release, but everyone 
has to hang around for the next couple of days because after release 
there is a high chance someone will find something.

Wouldn't it be just a hour of work or so
 

No…

thanks for your explanation :-) Did not know your development rules 
are so developed :-)

We have a very low bug rate (we have won awards for it.)


We take it very seriously.  On one side it means things can be a 
pain in the ass (especially for us).  On the other side, what we 
do release is much better.


One thing it does cause though is for everyone to focus and gather 
up all the things they want to change at the same time.  Sort of 
like knowing that you have to put all your stuff on one boat every 
day to set sail.  If you miss the boat you have to wait a day.

I'd like to see a metric that measures the success of a world .. 
for instance, the number of posts per logged on user per unit time.

Hmmm.  Interesting.  So people that get on, post, and get off produce 
a higher number?

Then we could follow that metric to see if the world was fufilling 
the aims of the world

no, perhaps more a ratio of active users to messages then

this world has heaps of inactive users - should prune them out.

Could be that lots of private convos are being carried out .. so 
have to count those as well I guess, but I think the main measure 
should be public messages

Would it not be better to weigh posters vs readers?  Tracking who 
click on stuff?

Could have several metrics I guess then

some BBSs have ways to give users points for answering questions 
...

in terms of societies .. I think this place looks more like a communist 
society than a democratic one.  Need to spice it up a bit more.

Ok, I'm bored ..and admit it.  But a growing society this isn't ...

Agreed.

Would a web front-end (with similar functionality to AltME) increase 
accessibility? Or can the functionality of AltME be subsumed into 
QTask? (which is already web-based and has messaging, calender, to 
do lists, etc)


I've seen first hand how readily people will "try out" something 
online (forum, wiki, members area, etc) but shy away when asked to 
"download this software to get access". I think part of the problem 
stems from most Windows users fear of installing any software that 
is available over the net (they still trust and prefer CDs from "reputable" 
companies).

ashley - plugin :-)

We are woking on Qtask + AltME right now.

Reichart - what is the state of SDK, or was it Coop? IIRC Carl said 
something during/after the DevCon, that "it" will be transferred 
to Safeworlds, whatever "it" means ....

Yup.  We are working on that too.  We will make a formal statement 
about everything soon.  It is actively being worked on.

Be carefull with soons! ;)

Well, this is why I point out "activiley" since it means one or more 
people are working on it right now.

Out of the blue: how can I browse to links published on AltMe, without 
having to type then over? A left clik on the link does not do anything, 
a write click  copy the link, but is not passable into the browser, 
and the link is not selectable...
I'm using Linux Mandriva 10.2 and Firefox.

middle-mouse-button pastes from a different lcipboard. with moz that 
works here (debian)

with others (konq) i use a launcher-script: http://polly.rebol.it/test/test/linux/icewm/app-launcher.r
launches apps with value from clipboard.