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[Core] Discuss core issues

BrianH
30-Oct-2005
[2596x2]
At this point, I can't imagine what the path action! would be good 
for. Perhaps it is part of the object! internals?
Volker, by protocol do you mean a port type?
Volker
30-Oct-2005
[2598x3]
Cant have a use, else i had heard of it :) Practical use: it blocks 
mold. Recursive data, Code-obfuscation?
!> a: context[b: 1 c: 2]  path a 'b  ?? a
a: make object! [
    b: end
    c: 2
]
Yes.
Would be able to implement find on a port that way.
BrianH
30-Oct-2005
[2601]
I'm going to copy my path question to RT Q&A.
OneTom
30-Oct-2005
[2602]
let us know the answer! paste it here if u got any!
Gabriele
31-Oct-2005
[2603]
path is internal, and should probably not be exposed. my guess is 
that it has to do with path evaluation.
BrianH
31-Oct-2005
[2604x3]
You are probably right that it wasn't intended to be exposed, but 
you got my curiosity going. What is it used for internally?
I mean, it says "Path selection." right in the doc comment so that's 
a good guess :) But how does it help with path selection? How is 
it used? Just for implementing set-path assignment?
For that matter, what types implement the path action?
Gabriele
1-Nov-2005
[2607]
i don't have answers. when i noticed it months ago and asked carl, 
he said it was an internal thing. no more details.
Geomol
1-Nov-2005
[2608x3]
I had a problem with SWITCH, and it turned out to be a funny thing 
with SELECT (see source switch). If you've got a block like this:
blk: [1 word "string" 1.2 01:00:00 1-11-2005 any-type! 4]
you can do things like this:
>> select blk 1
== word
>> select blk 1.2
== 1:00
>> select blk 'word
== "string"
>> select blk 1:00
== 1-Nov-2005
>> select blk 1-11-2005
== any-type!

And now the fun (or strange) part:
>> select blk any-type!
== word

It's possible to select on a datatype. The first element in the block 
(1) is of type any-type!, so I get: word. It's possible to do things 
like:
>> select blk date!
== any-type!
>> select blk time!
== 1-Nov-2005

So how do I select a datatype in a block? I could do this:
>> select blk to-word any-type!
== 4
or something like this:
>> select reduce [file! 1 url! 2] url!
== 2
I can cope with this in my code, just found it peculiar.
In the last part, what I'm trying to do, is selecting a datatype 
word in a block.
It all came from the include function in Canvas. I wanted it to be 
able to include modules both from diskfiles and URLs. So I did something 
like:
switch type? object [
	file!	[...]
	url!	[...]
]
But this wont work, and I ended up doing:
switch to-word type? object [


Maybe there should be some notes about this behaviour of SELECT in 
the wikibook?
Ladislav
1-Nov-2005
[2611]
see switch type?/word ...
Geomol
1-Nov-2005
[2612]
Brilliant! Of course Carl've thought about that. :-)
DideC
2-Nov-2005
[2613]
Yeah, this one catch me too some times ago ;-)
Allen
2-Nov-2005
[2614]
Searching for datatype works with FIND as well. It's very handy
Graham
4-Nov-2005
[2615]
I wonder if it would be possible to implement a dialect to get at 
parts of a series as in python.  With rebcode?


instead of copy/part string 4 ... , string/[:4], or if I want the 
5 and 6 elements, then string/[5,6]
JaimeVargas
4-Nov-2005
[2616]
Very posible
Graham
4-Nov-2005
[2617]
that seems easier than copy/part skip string 4 2
JaimeVargas
4-Nov-2005
[2618]
I believe Greg already has something like that he named his function 
slice.
Graham
4-Nov-2005
[2619x2]
But now we can use rebcode to speed it up ?
Is Gregg's function dialected ?
JaimeVargas
4-Nov-2005
[2621x2]
Lost me there.
This type of function is quite fast in native rebol.
Graham
4-Nov-2005
[2623x2]
it's just a pain to write.
the power of a language can be measured by how few symbols are required 
to perform a given task.
JaimeVargas
4-Nov-2005
[2625x2]
I don't think so. It all depends on the functionality you want.
Well you can create your on slice function.
Graham
4-Nov-2005
[2627x2]
don't want to :)
I want native handling that is expressive, and short
BrianH
4-Nov-2005
[2629]
Graham, I don't think that's a very good measure. REBOL isn't Perl, 
you know, but that doesn't make it less powerful.
Graham
4-Nov-2005
[2630]
But also it assists in debugging programs.  It is well known that 
the number of errors per line is fairly constant.  You reduce the 
number of words you use with a powerful language, and this leads 
automatically to reduced number of errors since you need fewer lines.
JaimeVargas
4-Nov-2005
[2631x3]
substring: func [
    [catch]
    source [string!]
    spec [block!]
    /local start stop rule
][
    rule: [set start integer! '.. set stop integer!]
    unless parse spec rule [
        throw make error! "Invalid range spec."
    ]
    copy/part skip source start stop
]
You can create your own dialects and grammar. But don't ask for everything 
to be written to your liking.
substring "abcd" [2 .. 3]
BrianH
4-Nov-2005
[2634x2]
; 1-based indexing
slice: func [str start len] [copy/part at str start len]
; 0-based indexing
slice: func [str start len] [copy/part skip str start len]
Fill in with doc strings and [catch] attributes, but the algorithm 
doesn't have to be hard.
Graham
4-Nov-2005
[2636]
which is briefer ?

substring "abcd" [ 2 .. 3 ]

and "abcd"/[2 .. 3]
BrianH
4-Nov-2005
[2637]
The first one, because you can tell what it's doing without having 
to remember more syntax.
Graham
4-Nov-2005
[2638]
I'm not saying that Rebol should be Python, just that it could be 
useful this way.
BrianH
4-Nov-2005
[2639]
How about:  slice "abcd" 2 3
JaimeVargas
4-Nov-2005
[2640x2]
The '.. in my small dialect block is pure syntax sugar and un-necessary 
but easy to remember for some people.
[2 .. 3] hints that it is a range.
Graham
4-Nov-2005
[2642]
yeah

so, "abcd"/[ 2 3 ]
BrianH
4-Nov-2005
[2643]
You don't need a dialect processor and its overhead for what is essentially 
a library function.
JaimeVargas
4-Nov-2005
[2644x2]
That could have more than many menings.
BrianH agreed. I'm just saying that if you want to use other language 
syntax you can always create a dialect.