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Louis 17-Dec-2005 [2982] | Is there a special symbol in the REBOL language for the Indonesian rupiah? I need to make a script to convert funds from US$ to Indonesian Rupiah. |
Geomol 17-Dec-2005 [2983] | Take a look: for i 32 255 1 [prin to-char i] |
Louis 17-Dec-2005 [2984] | Geomol, thanks. The rupiah symbol isn't there, but there is a symbol that will make a decent substitute. |
Terry 25-Dec-2005 [2985] | What's up with ASYNC? |
Pekr 26-Dec-2005 [2986] | Rebol's networking layer must be somehow broken, if we are not able to get properly working async core ;-) |
Terry 27-Dec-2005 [2987] | Is there a Rebol webserver that can handle POST data, that actually works? |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [2988x2] | Uniserve? |
what is the problem with post? as for cgi, I use read-cgi as in newer cores ... works so far ... | |
Terry 27-Dec-2005 [2990x2] | Yeah, Uniserver is the only one.. but it doesn't Encap. |
where do you put read-cgi in the forever loop? | |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [2992] | hmm, dunno, but look at the source, you can simply copy the code to your own purpose ... |
Terry 27-Dec-2005 [2993] | the source of which? |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [2994x3] | read-cgi ... |
it distinguishes two types, get or post ... | |
it uses simple loop - read-io .... | |
Terry 27-Dec-2005 [2997x3] | Look.. here's what I'm trying to build with Rebol http://www.uniformserver.com/ a fully powered webserver you can take with you on a USB Stick or even your camera's flash drive. |
even has .htaccess security | |
I'm just so tired monkey wrenching Rebol | |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [3000] | what is monkey wrenching? |
Terry 27-Dec-2005 [3001] | trying to get things to work |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [3002] | to get things work? you can create rebol server in one page script. That it is not complete solution like uniformserver? well, it is not .... if something is not available out of the box, you simply have to code it yourself ... |
Terry 27-Dec-2005 [3003] | exactly.. like I've got nothihg better to do than build a webserver in Rebol that can handle POST data.l.. |
Ladislav 27-Dec-2005 [3004] | you must be kidding, aren't you? |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [3005x3] | Ladislav, Terry is different then us - his motives are not to use rebol only. He is more pragmatic - while he likes rebol, he misses some already done solution in rebol land. He might be right, from his pov. His intention is to build some system, using existing components. The trouble is, that he can actually use rebol, but then he can easily find himself implementing specific details of server e.g., but his intention lays in some upper layers of architecture .... |
I still think, that in his particular case though, implementing small web-server would be rather trivial task though. There are some examples available ... | |
more trouble comes with licensing of the server, if he want to encap it, and yet he wants to provide kind of cgi (plug-ins) to run rebol scripts - then he violates the license imo ... | |
Ladislav 27-Dec-2005 [3008x2] | like I've got nothihg better to do than build a webserver in Rebol that can handle POST data - I have seen nothing capable of convincing anybody such a webserver was distributed as a mezzanine? |
Moreover, there already are third party solutions to this specific problem as far as I know. | |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [3010x2] | I don't fully understand your mezzanine comment :-) |
yes, at rebol.org, small webserver ... even one provided by Carl iirc ... | |
Ladislav 27-Dec-2005 [3012] | it is directly meant as a comment to "monkey wrenching REBOL" |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [3013x4] | my experince, sometimes is, than rather then to incorporate thrid party technology, learning its tricks etc., I implement simpler (yet not so capable) solution myself ... |
in that regard, I wanted to ask Ladislav, about security - is it possible to protect system words, even to not be unprotected? :-) Imagine rebol would use system/locale for things like system messages in order to be translatable, but then someone could change the strings, which could be big security risk (user answering to different question) | |
posted originally in rt qa group, I did not notice I am chatting there, sorry ... | |
what about kind of protect/with 'value 'key ? | |
Ladislav 27-Dec-2005 [3017] | you cannot protect mutable values, even if you protect the words. Is that an answer to your question? |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [3018] | yes .... I thought so, but then I thought maybe there will be some way of how to do it :-) |
Ladislav 27-Dec-2005 [3019] | only one - make a value you don't want to be changed immutable. The problem is, that REBOL does not have immutable strings, blocks, functions or objects. |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [3020x2] | what about extending secure scheme? to allow e.g. pre-boot, post-boot changes etc.? hmm, not sure it has a solution in my particular case, e.g. that I would like to hae system/locale translated, but then blocked against the changes ... |
just thinking loud, sorry if nonsenses :-) | |
Ladislav 27-Dec-2005 [3022] | the only solution to your problem is to make your values immutable. The trouble is, that REBOL does not have immutable datatypes you might need |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [3023x3] | ok, thanks ... |
but that would not solve my case, if RT would do system/locale immutable, then I would not be able to change it. I though about protection by some kind of key, e.g., but dunno if it might work. at first change the key would be provided, for unprotect, the key would be needed ... | |
Ladislav - one more - can you imagine subinterpreter? e.g. you have kind of rebol interpreter master server in your school, then you have students, global context gets cloned for them and all they do they can do like in normal rebol, just that their scripts are executed in subcontext :-) hmm, maybe it would be easier to launch new interpreter for them anyway ... :-) | |
Ladislav 27-Dec-2005 [3026] | :-) On the other hand, this is a question of philosophy. RT did not forbid you to change the data, because they felt you may have a good reason to do so. Your "philosophy" is opposite - you think, that your users may not have a good reason to change the data. |
Pekr 27-Dec-2005 [3027] | I just came to the request by simply thinking about localisation and how it can be missued. E.g. "do you want your file to be deleted?" could be replaced by "Do you want to keep your file?" :-) |
Ladislav 27-Dec-2005 [3028] | Right you are, the above is possible in English too and it may be considered a safety problem in some circumstances as I pointed out quite long ago. |
Volker 27-Dec-2005 [3029x3] | post-webserver: Cals %webserv.r with |
read-cgi: func [/local data len] [ either system/options/cgi/request-method = "POST" [ set-modes system/ports/input [lines: false binary: true no-wait: false] len: to-integer system/options/cgi/content-length data: to-string copy/part system/ports/input len ] [ data: system/options/cgi/query-string ] data ] | |
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=webserv.r | |
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