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Volker 26-Apr-2006 [4139x2] | Its nearly never needed, but if it is needed, its very usefull. |
hex-editor or ascii or decoding this unix-rights-numbers or such. | |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4141] | REBOL is very high level, and you tend to use hex notation more in low level scenarios, but it's *so* handy to have it there when you need it. |
Maxim 26-Apr-2006 [4142] | yess the kind of thing you need when you are doing projects and the specs are not your own. on the other hand, HTTP 1.1 uses hex values for chunk sizes (stupid design if there is one)... so they are still used. |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4143x3] | Here's what I use: hex: func [ {Returns the base-10 value of a hexadecimal number.} value [integer! string! issue!] "A hexadecimal number" ][ ; Convert to an issue first, so integers can also be translated. to integer! to issue! value ] |
When I first started in REBOL, I also aliased it as &H (as a func name), since that's the hex notation prefix in BASIC and can be used as a func name, unlike "0x" | |
It is a little extra work to use a func to convert values, but not awful. If you need to use it heavily in a particular app, I'd consider using a dialect. | |
Henrik 26-Apr-2006 [4146] | binary tools powerpack then? |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4147] | You bet. Outline the domain and we can cook up a killer dialect. |
Maxim 26-Apr-2006 [4148] | the problem I have with dialects is they are not extensible |
Henrik 26-Apr-2006 [4149] | it would be worthy of its own group, wouldn't it? |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4150] | I think so Henrik, for better focus. |
Henrik 26-Apr-2006 [4151] | I'll create it now |
Maxim 26-Apr-2006 [4152] | I mean without rewriting the original dialect parser itself. |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4153] | Who says Max? |
Volker 26-Apr-2006 [4154] | OT: regarding dialects: could 'any be an option in parse? i often have parse blk [ any[ .. ] ] would like parse/any blk [ .. ] |
Maxim 26-Apr-2006 [4155x2] | when I tried to plug within VID... man it was awfull. |
I ended having to piggy back on top of VID. | |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4157] | The Logo interpreter I did (early in REBOL for me) allowed user defined functions; basically it just added things to the list of parse rules it knew about, naive, but semi-functional. :-) |
Volker 26-Apr-2006 [4158] | it predates the block-parser, and that shows. |
Maxim 26-Apr-2006 [4159] | and that means actually calling the VID parser many many times... |
Volker 26-Apr-2006 [4160] | rebgui looks much cleaner IMHO. |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4161] | Dialects have to be planned for extensibility, just like languages. |
Maxim 26-Apr-2006 [4162] | gregg, exactly... you have to dialect your dialect's dialecting ability ;-) |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4163] | ANY - Not sure what you mean Volker. |
Maxim 26-Apr-2006 [4164] | but that's usually harder than the dialect itself, and there are no ways to ensure that this door, won't corrupt your dialect itself.. |
Henrik 26-Apr-2006 [4165] | group created, lets move binary stuff to there |
Volker 26-Apr-2006 [4166] | i need two nested blocks. nearly everytime i use 'parse. |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4167x3] | i.e. why would a refinement be better than using PARSEs ANY keyword? |
Ahhhh. | |
Would it always return TRUE if /any is used then? | |
Maxim 26-Apr-2006 [4170] | I will try to re-introduce the previous block parsing engine I had built for glass into the newer code. |
Volker 26-Apr-2006 [4171] | And that are often 3-liner, which are then 5-liner parse/any files[ file!(..) | url! (..) ] |
Maxim 26-Apr-2006 [4172] | that dialect (not parse based) could easily implement OOP style polymorphism within the dialect! |
Volker 26-Apr-2006 [4173] | No, only 'true if the whole rule matches. |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4174] | I think that might be confusing, because ANY in a parse rule implies optionality. |
Volker 26-Apr-2006 [4175x2] | although an error would be nice too, if it does not parse/error blk [..] would throw an error on fail. maybe with hints about the position. |
In my use 'any means loop | |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4177] | How about just using a PARSE-ANY wrapper mezz of your own? |
Volker 26-Apr-2006 [4178x2] | Ugly. parse/any looks nicer. And its a bit slower? But does the job. |
and its an extra definition in every short script (i never use %user.r for libs..) | |
Gregg 26-Apr-2006 [4180] | Well, post it as a wish then. I haven't needed it, and I'm concerned that the dual meaning of ANY in the context of PARSE might be confusing, but Carl has the final say. |
Volker 26-Apr-2006 [4181] | must not be 'any, its just what is now used inside the dialect. maybe parse/many ? |
Jerry 27-Apr-2006 [4182] | Most scripting languages (like Ruby) and even some programming languages (like Java) support the string-concatenation operator "+". >> "a" + "b" == "ab" I know that we can use the JOIN function, but a + operator for string would be nice too. Why doesn't REBOL do so? |
Anton 28-Apr-2006 [4183] | >> "a" + 2 + "b" ** Script Error: Cannot use add on string! value ** Near: "a" + 2 + "b" >> rejoin ["a" 2 "b"] == "a2b" What could be more elegant ? |
[unknown: 9] 28-Apr-2006 [4184] | :) (and reads well to). |
Anton 28-Apr-2006 [4185] | Yes, I find all those interspersed concatenation operators tiresome and ugly. |
Terry 28-Apr-2006 [4186] | 'rejoin' sounds like it was already joined once |
Anton 28-Apr-2006 [4187] | uhuh. |
eFishAnt 28-Apr-2006 [4188] | If I knew nothing if programming languages, I would think "a" + "b" = "c" ;-) |
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