World: r3wp

Ah yes, that would leave the block as is, instead of "unwrapping" 
it, which surprisingly unbinds the words.

unwrapping does not unbind; unwrapping copies.

that is, b: [] append b block   and b: copy block   are basically 
the same thing

Oh ok. So more specifically, the insert copies the words, but not 
their binding.

insert copies words *and* their binding of course

your problem is, that if you do 

    bind copy block 'context

the original BLOCK will stay unaffected

Ah of course! What am I thinking.!  So yes, as Gabriele said, my 
confusion was in not understanding that the words were copied.

does make-dir/deep not work on FTP sites?

No, and it caused me grief. But there is help at hand !  I patched 
make-dir to support FTP.

Use the first definition, second one still has issues.
http://home.wilddsl.net.au/anton/rebol/patch/make-dir-patch.r

I think it works. Thanks.

is this patch submitted to RAMBO?

No.  I think I didn't think I still wanted to think about it, perhaps 
finding a better way as the second function is attempting to do.

i think there are issues with ftp as a url path is not guaranteed 
to match the file system path

A URL path is _supposed_ to map to the file system path _if_ the 
scheme is ftp://
/
 has no assumed hierachical meaning in other URL schemes.
Hence the confusion at times.

I think REBOL is playing safe in not assuming the mapping. And, given 
how badly many FTP clients are written, that is probably for the 
best.

How can I change the smtp port to 26?

install the protocol on port 26

How?  :>)

http://www.rebol.com/docs/core23/rebolcore-13.html- on how to use 
the port specification directly.

I don't find what you are referring to.  I've tried this:

system/schemes/smtp/port-id: 26


But either that is incorrect or else something else is the problem.

This doesn't work either:

smtp: open/lines tcp://bible-way.org:26

It should do.

then you can query the smtp directly.
Try 

insert smtp "HELO Louis-here"
probe copy smtp
and you should see a response

or not ...

>> smtp: open/lines tcp://bible-way.org:26
>> insert smtp "HELO Louis-here"
>> probe copy smtp
** Access Error: Network timeout
** Near: probe copy smtp
>>

>> smtp: open/lines tcp://bible-way.org:26
>> insert smtp "HELO Louis.com"
>> pick smtp 1

== {220-box61.bluehost.com ESMTP Exim 4.52 #1 Mon, 08 May 2006 22:02:46 
-0600 }
>> pick smtp 1

== {220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited, 
}
>> pick smtp 1
== "220 and/or bulk e-mail."
>> pick smtp 1

== {250 box61.bluehost.com Hello 203-79-92-225.cable.paradise.net.nz 
[203.79.92.225]}

Hummmm.  Thanks, Graham. There must be something else I am doing 
wrong.

I think I wish smtp just went away forever.  so many different better 
ways to send messages already.

What agravates me is that this script worked fine until we changed 
hosting service. Now this and other scripts are broken.

Well, I can't find anything wrong with the script, and trace/net 
gives no error messages.

copy waits for the port to close, then returns everything sent

Now I am getting:

Net-log: ["Opening" "tcp" "for" "esmtp"]
Net-log: [none "220"]

Net-log: {220-box61.bluehost.com ESMTP Exim 4.52 #1 Tue, 09 May 2006 
05:01:25 -0600 }

Net-log: {220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport 
unsolicited, }
Net-log: "220 and/or bulk e-mail."
Net-log: [["HELO" system/network/host] "250"]

Net-log: {250 box61.bluehost.com Hello ip68-97-225-211.ok.ok.cox.net 
[68.97.225.211]}
Net-log: ["AUTH CRAM-MD5" "334"]
Net-log: ["WARNING! Using plain authentication."]

Net-log: [{AUTH PLAIN bGF0dXJrQGJpYmxlLXdheS5vcmcAbGF0dXJrQGJpYmxlLXdheS5vcmcAaXN0cmkx}
    "235"
]

Izkata, I don't understand what you mean.

system/schemes/smtp/port-id: 26

Hm, it was already mentioned. Your problem is, that your provider 
do not accept PLAIN authentication, It requires CRAM-MD5 authentication 
as you can see from the log

The script for counting cram-md5 auth is here:

do http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rebol/projects/cram-md5/latest/cram-md5.r

There is quick patch which should helps you to send crypted passwords

do http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rebol/projects/smtp/latest/esmtp_1.3.2.r

hm, but now I see, that this is not the problem, your problem is, 
that you provider do not accept any authentication as I'm getting 
this error:
Server error: tcp 503 AUTH command used when not advertised

Should I turn off authentication? If so, how?

maybe using this way: set-net [[laturk-:-bible-way-:-org] bible-way.org 
none none none none none none]

(if you are not using proxy)

oldes: great, now louis email address is webpublic :-)

hm, sorry for that. Maybe altme web output should cripple the emails.

made a feature request for it

Temporarily made this group not web-public. I guess in a day or two 
we can switch it back. Not sure how it works.

Sorry to log off so suddenly like that. I had some computer problems.

Don't worry about that email address. It was a temporary one I created 
for test purposes.

Hmm.. I don't know the correct terminology, so I can't explain what 
I mean very well...

>> smtp: open/lines tcp://bible-way.org:26
>> insert smtp "HELO Louis-here"
>> probe copy smtp
** Access Error: Network timeout
** Near: probe copy smtp


SMTP ports stay open while data is transferred back and forth.  Copy 
doesn't return until the port is closed - so in the above line, copy 
is waiting until the server closes SMTP, and the server is waiting 
for a command from the client.


It's the reason why (as I understand it) Grahams "pick smtp 1" worked, 
but copy did not - SMTP was still open, even though there was data 
for the client to read.  (I was stuck on that myself for a long time 
 ;-)

Oldes, that worked! Many thanks. I would probably have never figured 
that out by myself.

Izkata, thanks. I am learning many things today.