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| Geomol 21-May-2006 [4563] | Ah, maybe not. E.g. #"a" = 97 is true. #"A" = 97 is false. I suppose, this is the best behaviour. |
| Anton 21-May-2006 [4564x3] | Yes, char! is more close to integer.... |
Note: >> "x" == "X" == false | |
That's the more strict-equal, which turns off the case-insensitive equality of strings. | |
| Volker 21-May-2006 [4567x2] | I would expect chars to compare like strings, but maybe that breaks things now. |
mixing case/no-case comparisons can give surprises, and till now i nevernoticed that extra rules. good to know. | |
| Anton 21-May-2006 [4569x3] | Better to keep the simple behaviour we have now with char equality, I think. |
Anyone processing strings from different code-pages would be driven crazy by case-insensitive char compare. | |
Look at this ticket, "'select with a char! is not consistent": http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/rambo.r?id=4046& | |
| Volker 21-May-2006 [4572] | its not about simple, its about expected. a char is a char is no-case by default evrywhere, "=", 'parse, 'find, to-char - no wait. |
| Anton 21-May-2006 [4573] | (parse converts chars to strings internally..) |
| Volker 21-May-2006 [4574] | I dont look into the internallies all the time ;) On some occasions i am lazy and expect similar things to work similar. |
| Anton 21-May-2006 [4575x3] | But you could be right. At least there is scope for moving the simple equality test to strict-equal == |
Well, now is the time to lobby for such changes in Rebol 3. | |
That's a pretty fundamental operation, so we want to fix that in place pretty early. | |
| Volker 21-May-2006 [4578x2] | Agreed. |
What is the best way to distingisch text/binary files? list of suffixes for "is text, everything else binary", "is binary, evwerything else text"? Other ideas? | |
| Geomol 21-May-2006 [4580] | - Read a part of the file. If every byte is ASCII (or 8-bit), it's text, else it's binary. This is only a good guess, of course! - Many types of files have some header information right at the start of the file. Make a list of those headers. (I think, this is the way, many datatypes works in Amiga OS.) |
| Volker 21-May-2006 [4581] | Good ideas. |
| Geomol 21-May-2006 [4582] | You can also study the UNIX command: file http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?file You can probably find source for this command somewhere. |
| Anton 21-May-2006 [4583] | Gosh, the name of that unix command is really disturbing. |
| Joe 22-May-2006 [4584] | Hi, I am a bit confused with bind and context e.g. blk: [a b] a: 1 b: 2 f: func [/local res][ res: bind/copy 'blk res probe reduce res ] >> f == [1 2] Here my understanding would be that a and b are not set in that context and the result is an error. Apart for understanding the current behaviour, what I want to accomplish is the behaviour that results in an error. I have a program where I set a lot of variables within a function but I don't want to set all of them as local, because it's repetitive and I sometimes miss a few so I'd like declare them as local using a block with all the variable names. Also, when I reduce the block I should get an error if some of the variables have not been set independently of whether any of these variables is set in the global context. Any ideas how to accomplish this ? |
| Anton 22-May-2006 [4585x4] | yep, hang on. |
>> a: 1 b: 2 == 2 >> vars: [a b] == [a b] >> f: func compose [/local res (vars)][bind vars 'res reduce vars] >> f == [none none] >> f: func compose [/local res (vars)][bind vars 'res a: 100 reduce vars] >> f == [100 none] | |
The vars block is composed into the function when it is created, but after that, vars is independant of the function, so it will be up to you to ensure they are consistent. | |
But I am wondering for what purpose you need this functionality. | |
| Joe 22-May-2006 [4589x2] | but I want the vars to be unset! not none! so that it throws an error |
also, f is normally a large standard function that I can not create | |
| Anton 22-May-2006 [4591x3] | Function locals are set to none for you every time they are called. |
They used to be left unset! but after a discussion years ago it was decided that it was more handy to set them to none. | |
What do you mean a large standard function ? example ? | |
| Joe 22-May-2006 [4594x3] | I am using this for message composition, templates, etc.. So imagine you have a template: "<html><head> title </head><body> body </body></html>" but with many more tags and then you have a large funtction emit-page that generates many tags and when you generate the page you want to make sure that you've generated all the tags and if you missed some then you get an error |
I think the above explains the problem domain. Imagine pages with lots of tags and that you don't want to clutter the emit-page function with lots of template variables neither want to compose the function given that if is a normal function where you do have other normal local variables. I am looking for ideas on how to approach this | |
if is a normal function --> i meant "it is a typical function definition | |
| Anton 22-May-2006 [4597] | So you want an expanding block of name value pairs to be checked by a function. Something like: [title "Product X website" introduction "Product X is a new way to..." cost 25.90] |
| Joe 22-May-2006 [4598x4] | I want the easiest possible approach i.e. you create an html file and define the tags like in the example above template: |
and then you collect with a function the list of tags that you've created and then in a function you go and define dynamically all those tags as variables i.e. title: func-title "xyz" ... | |
I want to use the power of bind and contexts to make sure this works | |
going to lunch. talk to u later thanks | |
| Anton 22-May-2006 [4602x2] | Or wait... you want a context to keep all your template variables in: template: context [title: introduction: cost: none] then unset all the variable in the template: unset bind next first template template Your function references words in the template and receives an error for the first one which is unset. f: func [template][do bind [?? title] template] f template ** Script Error: title has no value ** Where: ?? ** Near: mold name: get name but works fine when they have values: template/title: "hello" f template ; ==> title: "hello" |
That should give you some ideas. | |
| Ladislav 22-May-2006 [4604] | how about an UNBIND function as follows: |
| Joe 22-May-2006 [4605x2] | what is the syntax of unbind ? is it costly to execute ? I would use it unbind the block of variables before creating the template |
i imagine this could be a solution using the global context | |
| Ladislav 22-May-2006 [4607x2] | just a moment, testing |
unbind: func [
{unbind words}
[catch]
words [word! block!]
/local word result object
] [
if word? words [words: reduce [words]]
result: copy []
unless parse words [
any [set word word! (insert tail result to set-word! word)]
] [throw make error! "unexpected data"]
exclude result [self:]
insert tail result none
object: make object! result
either find result first [self:] [first object] [
exclude first object [self]
]
]
blk: [a b]
a: 1 b: 2
f: func [/local res][
res: bind/copy unbind blk 'res
probe reduce res
]
f blk
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| Joe 22-May-2006 [4609] | I get script error: self has no value and I get the same error if I set a and b after bind in function f |
| Ladislav 22-May-2006 [4610x3] | show me your code, please |
(the code producing the "self has no value" error) | |
Here my understanding would be that a and b are not set in that context and the result is an error. - right, neither 'a nor 'b exists in the function context, therefore they remained global | |
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