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Ladislav
22-May-2006
[4613x2]
(or unbound, in my version of the function)
It looks, that we don't know what exactly you want to accomplish, 
and it is a bit hard to guess. Could you be more specific?
Joe
22-May-2006
[4615x5]
I am using linux and the clipboard doesn't worked so I typed the 
code
unbind: func [
        "unbind words"
        [catch]
        words [word! block!]
        /local word result object
][
        if word? words [words: reduce [words]]
        result: copy []
        unless parse words [

                any [set word word! (insert tail result to set-word! word)]
        ][ throw make error! "unexpected data" ]
        exclude: result [self:]
        insert tail result none
        object: make object! result
        either find result first [self:] [first object] [
                exclude first object [self]
        ]
]

blk: [a b]
a: 1 b: 2
f: func [/local res][
        res: bind/copy unbind blk 'res
        a: 1 b: 1
        probe reduce res
]
f blk
** Script Error: self has no value
** Where: f
** Near: self
>>
I get the same error when commenting a: 1 b: 1 line inside f
Ladislav, thank your help. I wanted to ask you about this via the 
mailing list and I did send the message earlier this morning but 
the mailing list is down. Please bear with me and I will provide 
the details. I think the solution you provided is exactly what I 
was looking for but I might be missing some detail. I am studying 
your code right now and will be more specific in a few minutes
Gregg
22-May-2006
[4620]
Could you write the steps of the problem domain in pseudo-code for 
us? i.e. forget about the implementation for the moment.
Joe
22-May-2006
[4621]
i am preparing the pseudo-code. just a few minutes
Ladislav
22-May-2006
[4622x2]
your code contains the following bug:

    exclude: result [self:]
the original line is

    exclude result [self:]
Joe
22-May-2006
[4624x6]
thanks. I will post real code because I think it explains the problem 
better
template:       to block!  "<html><head><title> title </title></head><body>tag1 
tag2 tag3</body></html>"


blk:            remove-each val load copy template [tag? val]    
?? blk ; == [title tag1 tag2 tag3]

tag3:           "this is a fake value, should not appear"

eval-template: func [
        /local res
][
        res:            copy ""
        title:          "hey"
        tag1:           "this is tag1^/"
        tag2:           "i am tag 2^/"
        ;tag3:          "might not be set^/"
        bind/copy       template 'res
        repend          res template
        res
]
sorry pls look at the next example
template:       to block!  "<html><head><title> title </title></head><body>tag1 
tag2 tag3</body></html>"


blk:            remove-each val load copy template [tag? val]    
?? blk ; == [title tag1 tag2 tag3]

tag3:           "this is a fake value, should not appear"

eval-template: func [
        /local res
][
        res:            copy ""
        title:          "hey"
        tag1:           "this is tag1^/"
        tag2:           "i am tag 2^/"
        ;tag3:          "might not be set^/"
        bind/copy       unbind blk 'res
        repend          res template
        res
]
The unbind function is very close to what I want. In the previous 
example if the function body does not set the variables a or b it 
prints [none none]. What I want is that if a variable in blk is not 
set then it throws an error
IPls let me know if this example is not clear. What I want is to 
catch the case where tag3 is not set and throw an error This is useful 
where the tags are set in a large function and there are many tags
Ladislav
22-May-2006
[4630]
Your EVAL-TEMPLATE function does not have 'TITLE as local variable. 
Do you want 'TITLE to be local or not?
Joe
22-May-2006
[4631x2]
I want title to be local without defining it in the spec. Eval template 
is a function that might be used for many different templates
IMy understanding is that if you bind a word to the local context 
then it's a local even if it's not defined in the spec but I probably 
have multiple misunderstanding (though I just read the Bindology 
Bible by Ladislav)
Ladislav
22-May-2006
[4633x3]
unfortunately that is not true, at least not in this REBOL version
local contexts are somewhat "static", i.e. they cannot be enlarged
(section 15)
Gregg
22-May-2006
[4636]
local without defining it in the spec
 -- I don't think that's a good way to think about modeling it.
Joe
22-May-2006
[4637]
I see. This is a major limitation. I see the rebol3 has a blog entry 
that "bind expands contexts" How could I approach this with the current 
rebol ?
Anton
22-May-2006
[4638]
No, that's right. Contexts cannot be extended with new words (at 
this time).  I would pass a context to your function with the template 
and all the words in it. This context will have to be built at the 
beginning.
Gregg
22-May-2006
[4639]
It's still not clear to me what the real goal is. i.e. where values 
come from and how eval-template may be reused without giving it some 
parameters to guide it.
Anton
22-May-2006
[4640]
Sorry, I mean you eval-template function can create a context on 
the fly with the words in it.
Joe
22-May-2006
[4641]
ok Anton, I will try to implement this with your approach
Anton
22-May-2006
[4642]
It's not a terribly easy thing to do, but can be done.
Joe
22-May-2006
[4643]
Gregg, the GOAL is to be able to have a generic eval-template function 
that can evaluate multiple templates without having to include hundreds 
of locals in eval template. The values are generated dynamically 
with a code-block e.g. eval-template template code-block where code-block 
is [title: func-title "aha" tag1: emit-whatever ...
Ladislav
22-May-2006
[4644]
hmm, I may not understand your wish, Joe, but don't you want to have 
it this way?
Pekr
22-May-2006
[4645]
Today I reread the blog, and I was not comfort with the idea that 
simple bind should auto-extend context ... maybe just my internal 
feeling, dunno .... just wanted to state opinion of less experienced 
reboller :-)
Ladislav
22-May-2006
[4646]
eval-template: func [
    template
    /local res
] [do something with the template...]
Anton
22-May-2006
[4647]
Eval-template will accept a template string
1) convert to block
2) extract the words
3) create a context with these words
4) unset all words in the context

5) do your code bound to the context   ( do bind your-code the-context 
)
6) handle errors
7) return results
Joe
22-May-2006
[4648]
What I've been using in the past is different versions of eval-template 
for each template and I found the typical bug to be when missing 
a local given that the templates are evaluated multiple times
Anton
22-May-2006
[4649]
After extracting the words you need to convert them all to set-words 
and put them in a spec block, eg:
spec: copy []
foreach word words [append spec to-set-word word]
append spec none
; now you can create the context using the spec
the-context: context spec
; now unset each word in the context, etc..
Joe
22-May-2006
[4650]
Yes anton, I will code it this way. I am worried that unbinding the 
words every time is a performance hit
Anton
22-May-2006
[4651]
Possibly, we can optimize it later. Binding is supposed to be pretty 
fast in rebol.
Joe
22-May-2006
[4652]
Ladislav, I will try to communicate better. What do you mean by "don't 
want to have it this way ?"
Ladislav
22-May-2006
[4653x2]
eval-template: func [
    template
    /local res
] [do something with the template...]
I just thought, that you wanted to have a function accepting and 
processing templates
Joe
22-May-2006
[4655]
Yes, my problem is an error handling problem. So far the template 
blocks are global, and I want to have functions that can build the 
templates without actually passing the template as a parameter
Ladislav
22-May-2006
[4656]
it looks, that you actually don't need UNBIND
Gregg
22-May-2006
[4657x2]
Could I ask again for pseudo-code? I'm having the same problem as 
Ladislav I think.
If we could step back and look at the problem, without implementation 
details, it would help me to understand.
Anton
22-May-2006
[4659]
Yes, it's a bit confusing jumping straight into it like this.
Gregg
22-May-2006
[4660x2]
I'm only asking because I think you're making this a lot harder than 
it needs to be, but I can't be sure if I don't understand the problem.
I've found that I can make things hard for myself, if I fight REBOL, 
or easy, if I don't.  :-)
Anton
22-May-2006
[4662]
Yes, I can't say I find myself needing to do such an operation very 
often. Been a while since I generated html though.