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[Core] Discuss core issues

Gabriele
19-Dec-2006
[6489x2]
if not all [
   msg: "rebol.exe does not exist"
   exists? %rebol.exe
   msg: "rebol.exe is empty"
   0 < size? %rebol.exe
] [make error! msg]
anyway, assert seems a good name to me.
Anton
19-Dec-2006
[6491]
Gabriele, yes I've used this trick, but it's a little uncomfortable.
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6492]
Hi, syntax question: 

i want to insert a row into a mysql db:

string-block: [ "value1" "value2"
insert db [  "insert into table values (?,?)" string-block ]


this fails (string-block is not evaluated i guess), but i dont know 
how to generate the following

insert db [  "insert into table values (?,?)" "value1" "value2" ]

(which works) using rejoin, remold, join, .. whatever.
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6493]
merrry christmas  :-)


insert db compose [  "insert into table values (?,?)" (string-block) 
]
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6494x2]
and happy xmas to you! 


this works! how to factor out the "insert into .." string into a 
variable?

stmt: "insert into .."
insert db compose [ stmt (vals) ]

does not work, neither does 

insert db reduce [ stmt vals ]

which puzzles me ...
btw. is this the right place to ask?
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6496x5]
this is the right place indeed  :-)

like so?

insert db reduce compose [ stmt (vals) ]
== ["insert into .."  "value1" "value2" ]
in REBOL since string datatypes evalutate to themselves, the result 
of the compose (which removes the outer block) will simply stay where 
they are .
I understand your issues trying to sort out all of the variations. 
 remember that most series handling functions return the series at 
some point (its head, its tail, or somewhere in between).
that becomes the starting point for the next function "in the chain"
most series handling functions modify the series "in place" instead 
of copying them.  This simplifies series manipulation by breaking 
down each step into little functions.
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6501]
hm, but:

>> a

== ["abc" "def"]

>> compose [ "abc" (a) ]
== ["abc" "abc" "def"]

>> reduce [ "abc" a ]
== ["abc" ["abc" "def"]]


why is a block returned in reduce, but two strings (which i need) 
in compose. should be the same imho...
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6502]
compose strips the outer block.
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6503]
the block from (vals) ?
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6504]
reduce simply evaluates each value in the block and inserts the result
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6505]
i see
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6506]
yep
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6507]
this is not even mentioned in the tutorial i read... do more operators 
behave like that?
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6508x4]
a common trick is to do this to unify a series as a block! which 
might also accept a string! :

val: compose [(val)]


this way, if val was originally a block, it stays that way, but if 
it was a string, its then inserted within one.  Note that the above 
actually creates a new block... so that the original val (if it was 
a block) and the new one are not the same
nope, its a special case for compose... and is one of its differentiating 
features.
also note that compose has a /deep refinement  which is very handy
ex:


a-big-view-block:  [ button "press me"  [print rejoin ["You have 
pressed " (val)]]]

val: "the button"

view layout compose/deep a-big-view-block
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6512x2]
neat (and important)
im using rebol on sparc/solaris (for automation). not even perl installed 
on these boxes .-)
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6514]
note that in the above, if you didn't compose the block it would 
still work, since val would be evaluated on the fly... BUT if you 
have several windows opened at the same time and each new window 
displayed a different caption, then the above is necessary... otherwise 
changing the value of val will change ALL windows at the same time 
 :-)   which is a common error we all make at some point.
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6515]
so the callback of the button will be bound to the value of 'val' 
at compose/deep time .. ? ok.
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6516x3]
it will replace the (val) by its value at specific time
another very good use of compose:

time: now
my-object: make object! compose [
	name: "me"
	time: (time)
]

without the compose, my-object/time will be none
actually it will raise an error since time within the context of 
the object, is not yet set.
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6519x2]
hm, isn't:

my-object: make object! [
  name: "me"
  time: now
]

equivalent?
ah, i see.
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6521]
yes... obviously, but sometimes, the value you want to set within 
your object is already used within the code that is populating it... 
it was just an example  :-)
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6522]
yeah, i see the difference. but i think the behaviour is a bit weird
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6523]
why?
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6524x3]
i would expect that time is identical to now after

time: now

but it's not.
forget it.

time: now
my-object: make object! [
  name: "me"
  mtime: time
]

behaves the same ...
time: time was the problem
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6527x2]
yes exactly.  that's what the compose allows.
obviously one can say well, just use other words... but... its not 
always pretty... actually it rarely is.
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6529]
one last question:

a: [ "a" "b" ]
how to write/append %to.txt a
so that
a b <- with whitespace inbetween 
gets written?
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6530x2]
btw, Ladislav has another more flexible function similar to compose... 
 its called 'BUILD   ( http://www.fm.vslib.cz/~ladislav/rebol/)
write/append %to.txt form a
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6532]
woot! thx
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6533]
glad I can help  :-)
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6534]
should have read strings, not blocks in the reference ....

Thanx for you help Maxim. Have to drive home now ...
Anton
26-Dec-2006
[6535]
Dirk, check out  compose/ONLY, eg:
>> blk: [1 2 3] compose/only [hello (blk)]
== [hello [1 2 3]]
Anton
28-Dec-2006
[6536x2]
I want to speed up access to a block of objects (unassociated) for 
a search algorithm.
Should I use LIST! or HASH! ?

It's a growing list of visited objects, and I'm searching it each 
time to see if the currently visited object has already been visited.
It looks like I should use HASH!, as it is designed to make lookup 
faster.
LIST! is designed for faster modifications.
Henrik
28-Dec-2006
[6538]
I wonder what the conversion time is between BLOCK!, LIST! and HASH! 
there must be some kind of penalty there.