World: r3wp

Yeah, the HTTP header print sounds like a very plausible source.

Okay....let me look at it.

HTTP requires CRLF termination anyway, so what I usually do is sthg 
like:
prin rejoin [
  "Some-Header:" some-value crlf
  "Another-Header:" another-value crlf
  crlf
]

If you do a PRINT instead of the PRIN in this case, that will lead 
to exactly the extraneous LF we are seeing.

If you have a shell on the live server, `head script.r | hd` will 
give you a hexdump of the start of a stored script.

Maybe it is the upload inserting the extra LFs :)

Thanks for the advice and debugging.
I'll look at it more seriously tomorrow.

Meanwhile, does this experimental option make it bettter or worse:

    http://www.rebol.org/download-a-script.r?script-name=base-convert.r&mode=andreas

Hehe, mode=text is already working fine for me.

:)
And that hasn't changed at all.

But yes, mode=andreas looks good. No leading and trailing whitespace!

Thanks Oldes, Peter and Petr for the Rebbies nomination. If I win, 
I will of course use my year to work with children and animals for 
world peace. However, it would be better to honour someone who has 
been more active in 2010; my REBOL work has been a bit sparse this 
year. So good luck to all the nominees!


Anyway, enough of self-promotion. Oldes nomination citation notes 
that he does not like the look of REBOL.org. That's a widely shared 
sentiment, and I have much sympathy for the view.


However, REBOL.org is to some extent skinnable – look here, if you 
are logged on, for user-contributed alternative CSS schemes:
    http://www.rebol.org/css-available.r


The current look'n'feel came about by a competition for a better 
look (won by Roland Hadinger) a few years ago. And it is MUCH better 
than what we had before!


If anyone wants to craft an alternative look'n'feel, please feel 
free.


Of course, just changing the CSS is not everything: contents of menus, 
access paths, etc may need tweaking to work well with a new look. 
I am happy to play along with any suggestions that may help anyone 
who is devising a site make-over.

I just noticed that there are 1023 scripts on REBOL.org. Who wants 
to be 2 **10?

The wait is over!
It was Massimiliano's REBOL IDE script. Now for the 2048th!
   http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=rebolide.r

?

The 1024th script on REBOL.org :)

fine 1024 script burried one on top of another :) nice !!!

the goal is to pile them up till they reach the sky ?

The goal is for them to be there and useful to those who need them. 
And polite.

usefull without the R3 support and without having desktop soft in 
R3  humm can I doubt about that ?

rebol.org liked to rebol/view 2 desktop is something we will never 
see in R3 anytime soon so who cares R2 is deprecated and R3 will 
never be as great and inovative as R3 used to be... My main claim 
about R2 is that the technologies proposed in it were great but unfinished 
... and simply in R3 those are not even talked about anymore (reb/service 
reb/plugin reb/console reb/desktop) I know if not happy I better 
shut my mouth but I wouldn't so what ?

If someone finds it useful and worth working the bugs out of, cool. 
It doesn't have to be useful to everyone.

yeah but who will be that someone ? me ? hum ... sorry dude i have 
better things to do than wasting my time in fruitless projects .... 
that will only be used by me ... I understoud too well that those 
past 10 years...

In 3 out of 4 of those cases you gave, they couldn't be finished 
because of security issues that could not be fixed in R2. R3 has 
made a lot of headway towards fixing those security issues, mostly 
because we kept them in mind when we made the incompatible changes 
(not everything was incompatible). As more participants use REBOL 
more, the limitations of it will be resolved. That is how the R2 
backports started, for instance.

but at least I can point out that's a shame to waste those things 
that made rebol a different thing ...

If you have better things to do than participate, surely you have 
better things to do than denigrate the efforts of others?

BrianH ok I know R3 was made to make the world a better place blah 
blah etc... AMen,  but thing is since t least those past 5 years 
not a world on the futur possible for those technologies and now 
it's even worst you are all tuned with the same borring song "If 
you are not happy do it yourself yoh!!!"

BrianH i'm not the only one in that case 90% of the people present 
here in 2005 have magicaly disapeared from the rebol map ...

it's gone at a point that french community some month ago was represented 
by me, didec, maxim, steeve and Dockimble  and Greg that's all

we used to be more than 140 ...

Shadwolf: <fine 1024 script burried one on top of another :) nice 
!!!>

They are all tagged in various ways to help catalog and find relevant 
scripts, eg:
   http://www.rebol.org/st-topic-details.r?tag=type//game

The tagging could do with an overhaui, so if you want to contribute 
to the quality of the Library without contributing scripts, then 
being a retagger is one way to achieve that.

Shedwolf..you really willnot bring the people back or interest new 
people by just repeating how everything is bad as you do now. If 
we need something, we need optimism, not negativism. Don't you really 
understand that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism#Negative_and_constructive_criticism

Shadwolf could use rebol advocacy group.

He definitely does not do any "advocacy", except for advocating his 
own opinions

ladislav same goes for you no?

my own opinion is based on facts.  Sorry to remind you that ...

Cyphre there is no critics in what I say that's just what I see ... 
sorry If  what I see is negative.

now you can play  all is perfect in a fabulous world were we are 
all friend but your attitude toward me shows it isn't?

Cyphre asking for more clarity in R3 and R3/GUI after 2 reboot of 
R3/GUI project and 5 years of Alpha isn't an insult you know ...

110 + alpha version shows that noone including Carl knows where is 
going R3 or in what stage of it Carl will decide that's now it's 
a releasable product. We don't know after that if carl has more idea 
of evolutions regarding rebol, if the past suspendend stuff will 
be back in work and at which périodicity they will be release.  It's 
said that once R3 will be released and "stable"  then all those in 
suspension side rebol project will be updated and adapted to R3. 
But we don't know nothing else more and meanwhile rebol/service, 
rebol port , rebol/plugin, didn't changed since at least 2006

if you considere that the information buried here  is anough as way 
to share information I'm sorry to informe you it's not. that's all 
look if you are not able to do the documentation for your project 
I would prefere you to spend 1 hours with me explaining me your project 
how to contribute it's goal etc and out of this hour i publish a 
documentation french /english. See that's the level Zero of comunautary 
organisation but we don't even reach that. Each of you think has 
the time to do everything and in the end it's not.

Shadwolf, you have a problem understanding. Pekr suggested you were 
off-topic and suggested the Advocacy group. But, I suggested, that 
for your rants, the group was inappropriate as well. My observation 
still holds.

:-)

Thanks, Ladislav.

ladislav no i understand perfectly you want to isolate me to better 
ignore me ... that's your way

ladislav no i understand perfectly you want to isolate me to better 
ignore me

 - actually not, I just see, that you are trying to pollute other 
 channels to feel "not ignored". When you placed your rants properly, 
 you were ignored exactly for the reason why I do not want to have 
 your rants here.

ladislav I'm poluting ? watch your mouth please not being agreed 
with me don't gives you the right to insult me

I keep my right to maintain that you *are* polluting many groups, 
misplacing your messages where they don't belong.

ladislav problem is even going in the right group if any  existed 
then you won't talk to me neither :) basically you don't feel concerned 
by what I say all you want is the job done what ever means are used 
to achieve that basically I used to think that way too ...  But time 
passed things degradated and now r3 alpha is stuck and side projects 
like script library and View/Desktop are stuck too since they are 
related and on suspend until R3 is released ... So to me it isn't 
a miss placed  converstation since R3 futur is related to scriptlibrary 
futur ... We could is that down time to try to reflect on making 
this better but that's not a discussion you want to have anyway... 
 That's why the whole rebol world in 2011 is pretty much the same 
as it was in 2005..

I just submitted to rebol.org a 4 line script  and it took me 1 hour 
is it normal to spend 1 hours on the header formating  for just a 
copy past ?   Can't we in 2011 get ride of it and have a form that 
you fill and generate the header for your script ? This is the numberone 
pain in the ass thing that makes me vomit each time i use rebol.org 
....