World: r3wp

Endo, this behavior is common to many, if not most, word wrapping 
algorithm. It makes no sense to wrap the spaces themselves to the 
second line; OTOH, it can be argued that it makes no sense to have 
more than one space in a sequence as well, so it's hard to say what 
is the best behavior.

Graham: I know this, but what if you should have those spaces?

Izkata: Yes this could an example as well. My second example shows 
the problem exactly.

Gabriele: I think the best behavior is to keep text as it is. (at 
least we should have this option, using as-is etc.)

If a text document is formatted with spaces (think that using a propotional 
font, take the old Amiga Autodocs files as example) you can never 
put those texts into a face/text. Face/text is not a document like 
html, even if it would be more than one space chars should be treated 
as one space char. 


So I'm still thinking that it is a word-wrap bug in the View engine.

Keeping text as is means not breaking lines. If you break them, you're 
not keeping it as is, and have to make a decision where to break 
it.

Should you break it at any point? Only before a space? Only after 
a space?


Imagine you have "aXXword" where I replaced spaces by an X. How would 
you break it?

a
XXword

aX
Xword

aXX
word


You're saying that REBOL should do like in the second example. That 
would be unacceptable in most cases though; REBOL does like in the 
third example, which is what makes the most sense in the most cases. 
You have a more specific case, where it's probably best to just use 
NBSP or to come up with your own line breaking algorithm.

Take the Izakata's example: you are inserting spaces to the beginning 
of a face/text. It "works" to some point and then it stops changing 
the face/text. (well it changes the text itself but doesn't show 
it on the face)

I mean that, it should somehow break the line even if the line has 
spaces (wrap before/after/somewhere). Take any text editor, they 
somehow does word-wrapping.

Think that you have two paragraph text and there are, say 100 spaces 
between them, you don't have a chance to put that text directly into 
a face/text. Replacing all spaces to NBSP is not a complete solution 
because NBSP is not a whitespace char so they are not wrapped until 
end-of-line. 

In the current situation: "if your face is 50px width and word wrap 
is on, then you cannot put 100 spaces between any two words in the 
face/text (face cannot display those text correctly)"
This looks still a major bug to me..

The situation you describe is in no way different than the above 
examples. Just increase the number of Xs - you only end up with *more* 
possibilities of where to break. Where would you break? From the 
way you describe it, you seem to want to break like in example (2). 
Show me anything that does *word* wrapping and produces the result 
as in (2).

Ok, I tried different text editors to see the word wrap behaviours, 
they all have different behaviours. Now I see your point.

I thought that it is a bug (and still feel like that) because "it 
doesn't matter how many spaces you insert to the beginning, "test" 
doesn't move after some point" (How it should move? you asked, I 
don't know, but it SHOULD move somehow if I constantly add more spaces)

All the other tools (notepad, notepad++, editplus etc.) behaves different 
than each other. They wrap the line, if you add more spaces after 
some point they move (push) the text down or right or somewhere. 
But they move it anyway. They don't stop somewhere.
Anyway, thank you for your time & responses.

The best solution would be to have options you can set so you get 
the behavior you want. Alternatively, access to the lower levels 
so tthat you can do the typesetting yourself. Too much abstraction 
is as harmful as too little.

view layout [f: text-list data ["aaa" "bbb" "aaa" "ccc"] [probe f/picked]]

When I click on "aaa" both lines are selected. Do I missing something 
or is it a bug in text-list?
When use CTRL click, no chance to get both "aaa" in f/picked

It's probably a bug.

text-list uses the text itself as the key, so each string has to 
be different. if you can't use a better alternative for some reason, 
you could change the strings to something like "1) aaa" "2) bbb" 
"3) aaa" ... etc.

I see. Thank you.

As I see there is no chance to make face/data and face/texts for 
text-list, choice styles. When I change like face/data: copy ["a" 
"b" "c"] then face/texts is also syncronized. and vice-versa.

The only way is to use the index? of selected item on a block which 
holds item-data. Is that right?

As I see there is no chance to make face/data and face/texts for 
text-list, choice styles

--> As I see there is no chance to make face/data and face/texts 
>different< for text-list, choice styles.

Endo, I solved this in the VID Extension Kit.

Henrik: Thank you! I'll play VIDExt more! Is it stable enough to 
use in a production do you think?

I use it in a production environment, but it is continually improving, 
though I'm taking a break from it right now.

Ok. Thanks a lot.

I wrote a function to get a copy of a wrapped text in a face object. 
Please have a look at it. If you have a better idea please let me 
know:
http://rebolforum.com/index.cgi?f=printtopic&topicnumber=46


it uses offset-to-carret to find the line positions and inserts a 
newline to that position in the text.

Endo, that looks interesting. Do you think it could be used to fix 
the box with "Wednesday" in it:

http://rebol.hmkdesign.dk/files/vid-postscript2.png

Henrik, I wrote another version of the function which is a bit better. 
It could help about the bug you told.

The only problem is it it makes a copy of the given text. So it is 
not the same text anymore.
http://rebolforum.com/index.cgi?f=printtopic&topicnumber=46

I don't think copying the text is much of a problem.

I see, so you can try this function.

thanks

Can anyone confirm this is a bug in View (VID), so I will post it 
to RAMBO:

gui: layout [f: h1 100 "test"]
f/text: does [probe "testing"]
view gui


;click on the text, drag --> crash rebol.exe. Tested on XP Pro SP3. 
View 2.7.8.3.1.1

;function get called when the text clicked, crash happens when dragging.

yes, it crashes. I'm not sure if you can pass functions to face/text.

passing function to face/text is not a good idea, it's called (read) 
several times when an event occured. But crash problem may be fixed.

posted to RAMBO as a low importance bug.

Confirmed on Windows Vista -- I see "Testing" printed a few times 
and then
      Problem Event Name:	APPCRASH
      Application Name:	rebol.exe
      Application Version:	2.7.6.3
      Exception Code:	c0000005
      Exception Offset:	0002420b
      ....

2.7.6 on Linux, it prints "testing" a few times from the click event, 
then also segfaults on the drag


I'm guessing it has to do with how h1 and other text elements will 
try to highlight the text when you drag the mouse over it, but a 
function isn't really a series! value

I think so too, when trace/function true, I saw offset-to-caret and 
caret-to-offset calls, it crashes just after the caret-to-offset 
call.
And also if I change h1 to label, it doesn't crash anymore.

CHOICE style performs a SHOW on top level window when clicked I think, 
and leads problems:

view layout [
	choice "a" "b" "c" [b/rate: 1] ;there is no "show b"
	b: box red rate none
	feel [engage: func [f a e] [if a = 'time [print now]]]
]

time events get fired without "show b"

I think the problem is in SHOW-POPUP function used in CHOOSE function.

Is there a way to scale an image using effect [draw [image pic]] 
without giving coordinates as in effect [ draw [image pic 0x0 200x200]]


I believe the coordinates are for location on in the frame and I 
just want it rendered inline with the rest of the vid objects

Got it...I had to set the vid image face to teh size I wanted first 
and then match it in the draw coordinates

You can also use scale:

view layout [box effect [draw [scale 2.0 2.0 image logo.gif]]]

Thats what I was looking for! I tried scale but must have used it 
wrong. Thanks

I need some help getting View to work properly!! Anybody listening 
on this Group??

What OS and version of view ?

I'm running the latest Rebcore and Rebview on an Xubuntu box. My 
issue is that when I click on the REBOL folder icon at the top left 
of the "sidebar", I get a message saying something like: "Cannot 
open location http://www.rebol.com/index.r.Any ideas??

Yes, that file no longer exists

It's a maintenance issue that Rebol Tech needs to solve

You can ignore that message and use View, at least you can use the 
console.

Start desktop by typing "desktop" and hitting enter in the console. 
Go to the user section, and check-off the chekc-box "Auto connect 
on startup" and "Open desktop on startup". That way, your REBOL/View 
will always launch in console mode, which is what you want imo anyway 
:-)

It is really a not a good situation, that Carl can't fix that. I 
wrote an email to him on 7.9., asking him to start R3 Chat server, 
with no reply on his side. This is really not funny anymore. How 
can he assume that anoyne will trust him with any future project? 
Everybody of us is overloaded with work, but just don't tell me you 
can't find 10 minutes to fix basic issues?

@GrahamC @Endo @ Pekr

Sorry!! hit the "Enter" key by mistake. Thanks all you guys for your 
input!  It is too bad that the a lot of the more publically visible 
aspects of REBOL are suffering from lack of maintenance. It does 
not make for a good "First impression" IMHO. Maybe Carl just doesn't 
give a shit anymore????

update on the REBOL folder icon issue -- All of a sudden it worked 
as expected!!  Just like that!! I'll try shutting down VIEW and see 
what happens.

Nope I just tried, and it doesn't work. Try http://www.rebol.com/index.r
on your browser you'll see a 404 page.

I agree! I just brought up the "desktop" from the console again, 
and at the bottom left I see "Local" - so I'm NOT connected to rebol.com. 
What do you think? Should I hang in there and try learning REBOL 
again, or move on?

Well, I'm using REBOL everyday, and I use it in my work, some of 
my customers are really big. R2 is stable enough.

It is definitely worth to learn REBOL. It just, its situation could 
be much more better than this.