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Luca 27-Oct-2005 [3005] | :-) thank you! |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3006x2] | or in the console, type: >> editor "" |
write in some code, save it and press ctrl-E to run it. brilliant for testing code snippets | |
Pekr 27-Oct-2005 [3008x2] | why do I use notepad then? ;-) |
did not know it is so easy without going to Desktop, thanks :-) | |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3010] | also nice for viewing large objects... >> editor system |
Luca 27-Oct-2005 [3011] | What about an editor that help you navigate your program thru funcs, contexts, blocks..., with backup service and temming? |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3012] | I've been thinking about this. But how far would we want to go? Simple as in the current editor, intermediate or a fullblown IDE? |
Luca 27-Oct-2005 [3013x2] | Hmm, probably a step by step is the best solution. :-) |
Pick up an editor and start adding some functionalities. We can decide what to add before. | |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3015x3] | Some editors can be controlled by call, by calling them with file and position. they use the curently opened window then. so you need only the navigator. |
But does somebody really need that? | |
(In which case i could revisit some prototypes.) | |
Luca 27-Oct-2005 [3018] | I meant write the editor in rebol. Otherwise I thougth to implement an Eclispe plugin (Eclipse is a very good platform in my opinion) but why have I to spend time using Java? |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3019x2] | (which -> that) |
The editor in rebol can be controlled that way too, with some tricks. | |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3021] | I'd much rather see a tad more advanced version of the current viewtop editor. No fancy features like syntax highlighting, but useful stuff like indenting, search/replace and undo. It shouldn't feel heavier than now |
Luca 27-Oct-2005 [3022] | I think that every developer need a good developer environment, don't they? |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3023] | question is what is good. scrolling and searching beats a java-style treeview with small things. |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3024] | luca: for me a good developer environment is one that can be started with an executable less than 1 MB, and start typing immediately and press one hotkey to run the program, and you can learn to use it in about 8 minutes. |
Luca 27-Oct-2005 [3025] | I agree with you. This is why I'd like to have it written in rebol. :-) |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3026] | oh and no wizards |
Luca 27-Oct-2005 [3027] | I agree too. |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3028] | wizards are a good indication that you are using something that can be too complex for the average developer and that gaining full control will take you months of learning. |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3029] | DO you speak of rebol-headers with auto-date and version update? :) |
Luca 27-Oct-2005 [3030] | :-D ... so navigation features are not useful neither? |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3031] | MY prefered navigation is grep, not some structured view. give me every "this-word" in files. |
Luca 27-Oct-2005 [3032] | Even if the file is "big"? |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3033] | I get a seperate list with the hits and can jump from there. emacs. |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3034] | volker, well... that's a border line. Its more that wizards that can set up a set of files for a compile and you have various profiles to work against, but you can't really understand what's going on behind the Wizard Curtain. I guess this is OK when you are working with C or ObjC programs when you want to build libraries and things that are OS specific, but it also tells me that this is hard, by default. REBOL should absolutely never go in that direction or encourage it. |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3035] | but could be done in rebol with the control-editor-trick. |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3036x2] | PARSE could do wonders for a small function browser. I built one not long ago. |
Also a realtime search bar could be nice. I don't think it would be hard to do. | |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3038x3] | I tried some things based on loaded code. One can search a word in all contexts. The other can find the source for loaded functions, with a little markup. could be anamonitor jumping to source. But never really did that. |
That gives the ability to look where a function in some context comes really from. | |
But was never hard enough to figure that out with other ways, so never finished it. | |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3041] | I've also built a multiple file search tool. It's not complete yet as it doesn't yet search recursively, or launch the editor on the appropriate file, but it's helped me out a few times. I'll see if I can upload it... |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3042] | Is upload complex, or do you need to search script? |
Luca 27-Oct-2005 [3043] | A good programming approach helps more than a lot of tools. But good tools help when you stop on "strange" problems or just need to maintain an "old" piece of code or code wrote by others. Do you agree? |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3044] | how do you mean, "upload complex"? |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3045] | I'll see if I can upload it. once when i wanted to upload i had to search ftp and password etc and that took time. |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3046x3] | http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/msearch.r<-- usable but not complete. |
oh... I had it handy, no worries. :-) | |
the hard part was to walk over to another PC in a different room :-) | |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3049] | Aah! :) |
Luca 27-Oct-2005 [3050] | :D |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3051] | but what about it? It would be useful in an editor, I think... |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3052] | Thats the definition of hardware/software? reaching hardware is hard? :) |
Henrik 27-Oct-2005 [3053] | Of course I could have logged into it with SSH from this room, but that would have been too soft on my leg muscles. yeah, I guess you can define soft and hardware that way :-) |
Volker 27-Oct-2005 [3054] | Looks nice. Can i work onit? |
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