World: r3wp

we've got draw text which can follow a spline .. so why not have 
text that knows the boundary of an image object ?

I have noticed, that there is new (dunno how long it is in rebol) 
command line parameter, called -v (noviewtop) and I have few comments. 
I am not sure that it was not added in-there because of my Rambo 
ticket, which asked for introduction of no-connect option instead. 
So, the trouble with obtrusive and annoying View desktop trying to 
connect to internet, is still there, and it really puts rebol worth 
sending into trashcan on such affected machine ;-)

Second - why ViewTop? and if ViewTop, why we still call desktop a 
Desktop? That is imo inconsistent ...

so -v might be usefull though, but - please, if we can't do proper 
async, where even system buttons are blocked and you can't even shut-down 
rebol task via ctrl, alt, del, then add noconnect option, please 
....

What does async in such circumstances? rebservices (should) have 
http-async, then it may be solvable easily.

dunno. It does not matter. But it seems rudiculoust to see app blocked 
for 10 - 30 secs, not being able to even shut it down ...

AFAIK os takes that long to report an error. and with sync, rebol 
can do nothing before an os-reply.

don't care ;-)

.... because .... OS does not take so long imo :-)) Isn't it just 
a question to set lower default time-out thant 30 sec, or what was 
the value?

I don't know. Thought i read somewhere something can not be influenced.

IIRC rebol uses 30 secs for timeout ... :

get in make port! http://www.rebol.com'timeout
== 30

WHat does a normal read? also timeout for so long?

imo, with current speed of broadbands, where dial-ups are going away, 
something like 5 secs of timeout could be enough?

trying ...

the trouble is imo with get-net-info - it is so arcane, that it can't 
be true anymore :-) IIRC there is check for old Netscape, parsing 
of prefs.js etc ...., whereas possible mozilla settings are not taken 
care of.

21 secs here for timeout:


start: now/time attempt [read http://www.rebol.com] print now/time 
- start
= 21

And if you change the timeout?

what's wrong with turn off auto-connect in the settings?

New users.

the setting itself is available only after the first timeout, that's 
wrong ;-)

Volker, yes, changing system/standard/port/timout: 5  really seems 
to timeout in 5 secs ....

ok, but you just stated that because almost everyone is on broadband, 
that the timeout doesn't need to be as long. But if everyone is on 
broadband, they should be able to connect :-)

If the band is bound to a proxy, maybe not.

yes, they should, but then rebol's ability to read system proxy settings 
should be fixed - I know what I talk about ;-)

Maybe that 5 sec is worth a rambo-ticket?

I even wrote down the strategy during first plug-in attempt, as it 
had exactly the same problems. But it is imo lost in old World. Imo 
we could try to revise get-net-info instead?

... and yes, lowering the timeout, could make situation more acceptable 
...

5 seconds might not be enough time for the first time user to allow 
the user to respond to a software firewall (to add rebol to the allow 
list) and still get a connection.

Maybe a requester. "Testing proxy" and choice for seconds

if async oes not fix it.

hmm, then get-net-info should be revised ...

Volker - or just not to connect by default, asking dialog if connect 
to internet, or first check settings ...

View already tells you, that you should do system settings, but then 
it tries to connect, which is imo incorrect aproach ...

I agree.

Me too. Needs a dialog where you can change and test.

maybe, but rebcobe binding bug is still not fixed :(((
  rambo says it is.

Ok, you View gurus ... text flow in an area field is handled at the 
View level ?

So, what's the difficulty in using a non rectangular field to flow 
text ?

AFAIK yes. If you mean wrap

yes, I mean wrap.

I don't recall seeing any examples where images are mixed with text, 
and where the text can wrap around the image

It's just a calculation, right?

Yes.

Which you can do yourself, and use multiple faces or draw.

Yes, can do oneself .. or ask for more basic support, or a new widget 
that supports this.

:)

scrolling an image requires changing the offsets in a pane

scrolling text, the pane stays where it is, and the text offset is 
changed

so, I guess if you have mixture of text and graphics, you have to 
scroll the pane?

Yes.