World: r3wp

your find-file function is really nice addition though ...

I don't think it's easy to completely replace windows shell. I use 
dir-utils and find-file for most simple file system tasks already, 
but I use windows DOS console for all those particular windows DOS 
things.

Pekr: doesn't call/console "cmd params" help?

I think maybe he wants transparent fall-back to DOS console, as shown 
before by somebody.

(I'm not going to do that, probably.)

anton, that is pretty neat. would you mind if I tried to integrate 
this with http://www.hmkdesign.dk/rebol/old/msearch.r?

By all means.

yes, I meant transparent command-set support. It was just theoretical 
quesiton, I don't need it that much ...

If there was a console-mode REBOL perhaps we could use it as a command 
shell replacement.

iirc 1.0 branch used native console, but you know, native console 
in W9x did not feature even arrow-up list of already processed commands 
...

this is imo why RT came with native console. Nowadays, I do prefer 
separate console, but I would like to see better support for keyboard 
navigation, which is currently very weak ...

now the thing is, if we want to reinvent the wheel. I do remember 
very powerfull consoles (even with coloring modes) from Amiga days, 
and if we talk non X-windows Linux installation, we do want to use 
text based console anyway ...

having a separate console seems to me causes a problem with rebol 
processes that do not initially print anything on a console. the 
problem arises when needing to print to a console. where to go? If 
another rebol process is already running, the new process starts 
printing there, "merging" the two consoles and rendering the console 
useless.

I'd like the option to use a native console. I'm frequently using 
Windows remotely and that can be a little awkward to do cross-platform, 
and can be high bandwidth as well. The NT console is powerful enough.

yes, at least it can jump by words :-)

as for Windows, I am used to own graphical one. And how do we get 
cross-platform console, which behaves the same way, if not having 
rebol own one?

Windows console apps can run on some other platforms as well, where 
GUI support is spotty. They integrate with batch scripts better too.

but then maybe someone writes async visual console as Cyphre did 
some time ago ...

pekr, yes it would be interesting to see a console written in View

Henrik, Cyphre's vconsole is still available on his rebsite.

I can run Windows console apps on DOS, for instance.

why the amiga console was so powerfull and windows is so weak? it 
even can't use tab to form form commands ... without that feature 
I am agains using native windows console ...

arrow-down does nothing too - it should discard the input .... it 
is a bad joke, not a console ...

the windows rebol console has one thing I hate.... when you type 
in a long sentence and accidentally press arrow-up, the sentence 
is lost

Hey, I just want as an option, like a seperate build or something. 
What Windows are you using? Sounds like you need doskey.

yes, that is bad ...

Win2K .... talking the standard ...

Win2k has tab completion and arrow keys cycling through your history, 
doskey built in.

rebol native console is not perfect, but I do remember that old 1.x 
days and unless windows console provides better experience, it becomes 
denerving pretty quickly .... slowing you down ...

tab completion? where?

Search for TweakUI on Microsoft's site.

It just changes an existing registry setting, but it is easier.

I don't want any TweakUI - I talk about what comes with os as default 
.... I want to use rebol on many machines and am not willing/nor 
I will not be probably able, to install TweakUI on each of them ....

will look at TweakUI though, I use windows console often ...

Well, I want native console mode REBOL to integrate with other console 
mode apps and scripts, and for when I am already in console mode 
and need to do something without switching to a GUI. When I am in 
GUI mode already, the existing console is fine. I need both.

the problem with TweakUI is that it's a tool that makes windows usable 
:-) one has to wonder why MS engineers would write a tool to remove 
a lot of the nuisances in Windows, if Windows is already so great 
:-)

I would like to know though, if ppl do prefer identical behavior 
of console on each platform, some extended console functionality 
- e.g. multirow arrow navigation, coloring (simply close to editor), 
or they prefer to use OS native console ...

Brian - good point - both modes are probably usefull and both have 
its own advantages ...

TweakUI for Win9x through 2k:

    http://download.microsoft.com/download/winme/Install/1.0/WinMe/EN-US/Tweakui.exe
And for WinXP/2003:

    http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/c/a/fca6767b-9ed9-45a6-b352-839afb2a2679/TweakUiPowertoySetup.exe

Sorry, tripped up by the AltMe bug. The second link is for WinXP/2003.

Win2003 might have it installed by default. It is here, but I can't 
remember doing so.

powertoys are other tools?

See for yourself.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

I find myself using TweakUI and the calculator (not available for 
Win2k) the most.

No, most of all I use "Open Command Window Here".

I will try that at home, as here at work I run W2K ... thanks for 
the pointer ....

Many of these are installers wrapped around registry settings, no 
more complicated than that.

Using rebol as shell is quitge nice. I wrap my favorit commands in 
functions, tab-completion for filenames and commands is there, call/console. 
i can mix pure rebol in, and want wrappers anyway for some long options.

don't forget ATTRIB for fast file finds from DOS console.  Quickest 
way I know.

It is fast, but I don't think it's able to look inside file contents 
as well.