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| Steeve 15-May-2009 [2539] | But the default mechanism will be an optionnal module |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2540] | Default includes: system/contexts/exports |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2541] | cause frankly shaving off 100kb from rebol.exe... in an attempt to improve it... is like saying that life vests are in the life boats... but the life boats aren't accesible unless you are sinking. |
| Steeve 15-May-2009 [2542] | just kidding |
| Pekr 15-May-2009 [2543] | I see no point in modularisation of current R3. It is still small. I just wish that we do plug-ins and interfacing, tasking, in really good way = good for concurrency environments ... |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2544] | there is a point where smaller isn't better. it just gets annoying. |
| mhinson 15-May-2009 [2545] | How about an on line compiling service ? one use per month for free. |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2546] | python is a good example of this. the language as a whole got much better when they integrated the datatype manipulations libs within the datatype classes themselves. |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2547] | Pekr, just because it is modular doesn't mean that the modules won't be included. HTTP is handled by a module now. |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2548x2] | in any case, I do think carl does not want rebol to become an include festival. |
so I'm not too worried. | |
| Steeve 15-May-2009 [2550x2] | Actually, modules are just separated context to my mind, not really an astounding new features |
we used context to have the same behavior in R2 | |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2552] | Carl wants REBOL development to be manageable. Modules make that happen. Just ask Reichart: Qtask is built on modules. |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2553] | astounding for some things yes. |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2554] | Having separated contexts and being able to manage them well is a big deal, for security and for ease of programming. |
| Steeve 15-May-2009 [2555] | but managing t |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2556] | we can now add plugin interfaces to apps, without hackers being able to probe inside the main app, for example. |
| Steeve 15-May-2009 [2557x2] | but managing them well is the job of the programmer, we can do dirty design with modules too, having them now don't prevent us to do trashes |
i mean with the contexts in R2 we can do nice design too | |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2559] | this is a serious flaw in R2... if you want to store encryption keys within an application and want to provide some sort of plugin interface, you are pretty much fucked... people can rip your application appart, and there is nothing you can do about it... a part creating a dialect, which is complicated as hell if you want to provide do-like syntax. |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2560] | Ah, but having modules lets the work of the good programmers be protected from the bad programmers. |
| Steeve 15-May-2009 [2561] | Eh but we have only good programmers here :-) |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2562] | which are stymied because there are bad ones out there ;-D |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2563] | Wrong group to be saying something like that :P |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2564] | hehehe |
| Steeve 15-May-2009 [2565x2] | ... |
Mhinson don't read that | |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2567] | He's not the only new one - some are a lot more new than that :) |
| Henrik 15-May-2009 [2568] | like me. |
| Steeve 15-May-2009 [2569] | where are they hiding ? |
| mhinson 15-May-2009 [2570] | :-) what me? bad? |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2571] | Hiding from the helpful people - not a good idea... |
| Steeve 15-May-2009 [2572x3] | but y |
You know Brian, you can be a good programmer even without knowing Rebol :-) | |
but i agree, it's an heavy handicap to not knowing Rebol | |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2575] | Yup. And you can have bad moments even if you are a good programmer. That's what this group is for :) |
| Steeve 15-May-2009 [2576] | nobody is perfect |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2577] | I resemble that remark :) |
| Pekr 15-May-2009 [2578] | Ladislav put nice additions to DLL interfacing ... this should make wrapping more flexible ... |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2579] | it would be nice to be able to use the information they contain in the resource parts, basically auto-describing the dll themselves... and use class members... in some way or another. |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2580] | We should really be talking about this in !REBOL3. |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2581] | isn't it annyoing to be told to stay on-topic !!??!?! ;-) |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2582] | I only do it here. In R3 chat I move the messages. |
| Maxim 15-May-2009 [2583] | I really need to get my R3 chat setup... I'm fearing loosing to much time if I start chatting there... |
| BrianH 15-May-2009 [2584] | I thought you had an account. |
| Steeve 15-May-2009 [2585x2] | it's incredible how many people we never saw there are registered in R3 chat 1 admin Administrator 17d [admin rank 2 Carl Carl Sassenrath 4:04h [rank 80] 3 BrianH Brian Hawley 0:14h [rank 70] 4 Henrik Henrik Mikael Kristensen 0:05h [rank 70] 5 btiffin Brian Tiffin 3d [rank 40] 6 pekr Petr Krenzelok 0:23h [rank 50] 7 feeds Remote feeds 0:43h [rank 10] 8 Giuseppe Giuseppe Chillemi 29:04h [rank 40] 9 Oldes David 'Oldes' Oliva 0:01h [rank 50] 10 richard Richard Westlake 29:59h [rank 50] 11 Graham Graham Chiu 76d [rank 50] 12 tester Example Tester 73d [rank 10] 13 Jerry Jerry Tsai 83d [rank 50] 14 Sunanda Sunanda 11:34h [rank 50] 15 Kaj Kaj de Vos 41d [rank 50] 16 DideC Didier Cadieu 36:48h [rank 50] 17 maarten Maarten Koopmans 102d [rank 50] 18 rebolek Boleslav Brezovsky 61:27h [rank 50] 19 Robert Robert M. Münch 6:30h [rank 50] 20 DocKimbel Nenad Rakocevic 111d [rank 50] 21 cyphre Richard Smolak 16d [rank 50] 22 giesse Gabriele Santilli 122d [rank 50] 23 Gregg Gregg Irwin 3:35h [rank 50] 24 Brent Brent Fessler 51:13h [rank 50] 25 Edgar Edgar Tolentino 52d [rank 50] 26 acook A. Cook 122d [rank 30] 27 Allen Allen Kamp 58d [rank 40] 28 Steeve Steeve Antoine 0:01h [rank 40] 29 warp Will Arp 99d [rank 40] 30 joshua Joshua Shireman 109d [rank 40] 31 Paul Paul Tretter 12d [rank 40] 32 mick nicolas schmidt 92d [rank 30] 33 PeterWood Peter W A Wood 4:54h [rank 40] 34 sean Sean C. Johnson 5:32h [rank 40] 36 fergus Alan Macleod 11d [rank 30] 37 sqlab A.Reisacher 3:17h [rank 40] 38 qwerty michal tarkowski 60:38h [rank 40] 42 ErosZ Eros Zoltan 108d [rank 5] 44 RobertS Robert Shiplett 26:44h [rank 40] 45 rchifflet G. Robert Shiplett 108d [rank 30] 46 perekk Perekk 28d [rank 30] 47 whispa Jon 108d [rank 30] 48 manum Manuel Moreno 22:10h [rank 40] 49 mchean Michael Chean 18d [rank 40] 50 claude ramier claude 108d [rank 30] 52 kib2 kibleur christophe 56d [rank 40] 53 adrians Adrian Sampaleanu 40:37h [rank 40] 54 jocko Joseph Colineau 37:56h [rank 40] 55 ken Kenneth Collins 3d [rank 40] 56 kealist Joshua Shireman 76d [rank 40] 57 abolka Andreas Bolka 3d [rank 40] 58 icarii James Marsden 16d [rank 40] 59 Ammon Ammon Johnson 19d [rank 40] 60 jimrichard Jim Richards 70d [rank 30] 61 garya G A 74d [rank 30] 62 pavel Pavel Kebort 7:36h [rank 40] 63 franck Franck Le Bihan 23d [rank 30] 64 claudebe ramcla 43d [rank 30] 65 Geomol John Niclasen 22d [rank 40] 66 arthur Arthur Chang 10:10h [rank 40] 67 zap Ben Brannen 25:28h [rank 40] 68 gerard gerard cote 61d [rank 40] 69 gagee gagee 73d [rank 30] 70 horscht Reinhard Hochstein 72d [rank 20] 71 hasy darek 72d [rank 20] 72 nicka Nick Antonaccio 72d [rank 40] 73 rebkodeur Oehler 72d [rank 20] 74 scottt Scott Thode 31d [rank 40] 75 patrickp61 Patrick Potter 27:50h [rank 40] 76 iho Ingo Hohmann 16d [rank 40] 77 bobik Robert Paluch 69d [rank 20] 78 cipri ciprian 42d [rank 30] 79 shadwolf Alphé Salas-schumann 16d [rank 20] 80 cwardell Charles Wardell 67d [rank 20] 81 ernst Ernst Niska 5d [rank 40] 82 rod Rod Gaither 66d [rank 40] 83 digipal digipal 66d [rank 20] 84 awi awi prayitno 8d [rank 30] 85 rich Richard Blundell 60d [rank 40] 86 onetom Herman Tamás 45d [rank 20] 87 anton Anton Rolls 5d [rank 40] 88 jjmmes jose 59d [rank 20] 89 nicolas longjacket 58d [rank 20] 90 blazs Blaz Segavac 7d [rank 30] 91 tw00167789 Liou ChinMing 7d [rank 20] 92 cindy Cindy Sassenrath 52d [rank 60] 93 ssandrew andrewng 47d [rank 20] 94 mario Mario Cassani 46d [rank 20] 95 th72 Tim Hendriks 46d [rank 20] 96 JohanAR Johan Aires Rastén 4d [rank 30] 97 philippe Philippe LE GOFF 44d [rank 20] 98 fatemanme jonathan 43d [rank 20] 99 wffsg2008 examele tester 43d [rank 20] 100 tk neo 37d [rank 30] 101 bardo bardonnenche 42d [rank 20] 102 minkui minkui cai 40d [rank 20] 103 mikoden Nicolas Schmidt 12d [rank 30] 104 fraya Fernando Raya 23d [rank 20] 105 nicolasf Nicolas Fournier 31d [rank 30] 106 goldevil Karim El Founas 39d [rank 20] 107 louis Louis A. Turk 38d [rank 20] 108 andyc16us Andy Cragg 37d [rank 20] 109 che Christian Ensel 3:26h [rank 30] 110 jankom Janko Metelko 36d [rank 20] 111 alanwall Alan Crandall 35d [rank 30] 112 kensinglet Ken Singleton 34d [rank 30] 113 bga Bruno Albuquerque 29d [rank 10] 114 aiwen aiwen ming 28d [rank 10] 115 james-nak James Nakakihara 28d [rank 40] 116 gaagaaga Y.C. Ling 27d [rank 10] 117 morler Morler 27d [rank 10] 118 devl Lennart Fridén 26d [rank 10] 119 brondoman Greg Brondo 26d [rank 10] 120 ladislav Ladislav Mecir 1:13h [rank 50] 121 scot Scot M. Sutherland 15:21h [rank 40] 122 meijeru Rudolf W. MEIJER 3d [rank 30] 123 czoller chris zoller 11d [rank 30] 124 rfenske Robert Fenske 11d [rank 30] 125 cofyc Cofyc Jackson 7d [rank 10] 126 jackseay Jack Seay 4d [rank 10] 127 kuler Keith Robertson 4d [rank 10] 128 kpeters Kai Peters 3d [rank 10] 129 acasado alberto casado 3d [rank 10] 130 giancarlo Giancarlo Valente 8:52h [rank 10] |
geez it's a public group here, i forgot sorry... | |
| Henrik 15-May-2009 [2587] | the list is public anyway by curtesy of R3 chat webversion. |
| Graham 15-May-2009 [2588] | Altme is still the place to learn about Rebol and undocumented functions! |
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