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Take LaTeX than.

make-doc and make-doc-pro is for simple to medium complex documents. 
Not more. I don't think MDP is a replacement for a word-processor, 
DTP program or something near like LaTeX.

Good points!

I have to agree... I use MDP for three reasons: It's speedy, it's 
fast and it's not slow. :-)

These are two :-))

:-))

...but maybe he meant speedy in how you can prototype your docs and 
not slow as not slowly generating result :-)

Yes, tools like MakeDoc are about focusing on content, not style. 
It's great if we have a *way* to do more complex things (extension, 
manual tag insertion, etc.), but they shouldn't be a priority.

Looking at MakeDoc2 a bit closer I note that TOC expansion occurs 
during the second parse (HTML emit), meaning that  a 'scan-doc will 
not return all the data required by other emitters. I don't believe 
it should work this way.

The first pass generates a block structure that can be scanned by 
every emitter to get all headings etc. So, after scan-doc the info 
is there but not the build-up TOC.

Exactly, which means each emitter then has to generate a TOC and 
number the section headings - this content manipulation should not 
be the concern of each and every emitter! ;)

It'll still have to occur after the first pass, natch -- 'tis a pass 
unto itself.

The thing is, that the TOC might look very different depening of 
the output format. A TOC for LaTeX is just one command, for HTML 
you need to insert numbering as plain text etc.

Some emitters want numbers others letters or mixes of both. It all 
depends and that's why the job is left to the emitter.

Good points,. Robert. And some may need to defer it until nearly 
the end of Phase 2 because they need actual page numbers.

OK, makes sense now. ;)

How about this for an obvious enhancement: the ability to href an 
=image (i.e. image + URL)

good idea, Ashley...the Devcon page maker has this in it, if I understand 
what you mean.

Can you give me an example?

You want to use =image with an URL? That's possible.

update: I just extended make-doc-pro to support forms. Looks like 
this:

Test of Form Dialect in make-doc-pro

=toc

=options debug

===Introduction
This file test the form generation dialect.

\form test.cgi
	cgi-bin http://localhost/cgi-bin/

	; same-width with fields & buttons
	same-width left [
		field "Name1"
		field "Name12" 10
		field "Name123" 10 20
		field "Name"
		radio "R1" [Robby Linna Bunny Blacky]

		btn-enter "Abschicken"
		btn-cancel "Abbrechen"
	]

/form

You want to use =image with an URL? That's possible.

For example:

	=image %myimage.png http://mysite.com


click on the image to go to the site. I don't think the MD2 standard 
currently supports this.

I did wonder if that was what you meant...a good suggestion.

(and not hard to do at that)

I would suggest something else:
=url http://www.mysite.com%image.png

It's a URL you want to specify, not the image.

I never like to do to many arguments in Make-Doc, but what of Alt 
Text...

=url http://www.mysite.com%image.png Alt Text, but code sensitive 
parts of the line are getting more numerous...

Re. Forms, as discussed briefly, I have a different vision for forms 
-- primarily as I think we have a different end user in mind.

Perhaps this is better discussed in a dedicated group...

A proof of concept IDE for MakeDoc2 - http://www.dobeash.com/files/md2-ide.zip
- enjoy! ;)

Argh! You was faster than me !! 

I wanted to do a things like that. I have a style to render inline 
formating if you want.

I have also an editor with some funcs to help inserting tagswith 
key shortcut.

Do you bother if I do a fork of it with my own idea ?

I have a style to render inline formating if you want
 ... yes please!

Do you bother if I do a fork of it with my own idea?
 Not at all, the code is really QAD though ;)

Cool! :-) I'm looking forward to something like this for my NicomDoc 
format, when I release it soon. ;-)

nice, Ashley

curious about QAD ?

Isn't there also an MDP-GUI project somewhere?

MDP-GUI is on rebol.org.

But it's not what I need. MDP-GUI is a help for those who don't know 
MakeDoc rules.

I just want an editor that help me to insert the most bothering tags 
(like <b></b>) arround the text I want.

Typing tags is not very confortable on French Keyboard : < and > 
are on the same key and the last require Shift. / require Shift too. 
So typing tags all the time is very annoying.

How about own tags and a preprocessor?

explain.

mark tags in a different way. maybe {tag} or [tag]. then exchange 
"{" with "<". then makedoc.

good point on  < > DideC

that is why [ ] is used in REBOL instead of { } for blocks, so a 
shift key is not needed, IIRC.

[ and ] is <Alt Gr>-8 and 9 on my danish keyboard. Where are they 
on a french keyboard?

QAD = Quick And Dirty

[
 is AltGr+5 , "]" is AltGr+8
{
 is AltGr+4, "}" is AltGr++

I'm wondering how French like Rebol so much with so "tortuous" typing 
;-))

:-) There's the idea for what keys to put on the left side of the 
keyboard to make it more balanced. Well, maybe it will become too 
big!? And then use Dvorak layout (http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/) 
to speed up typing.

Hi ashley !! I see your MD2IDE it seems you have open the competition 
with my MDP-GUI hahahaha. Well I like the redering window on right 
of the Window. The bad point is that the previsualisation of the 
texte is not updated until the save action. Updating it dynamicaly 
could be a good thing. There is no button to short cut the insertion 
of the balise like in MDP GUI (feel free to retake from MDP-GUI evry 
thing you need). Personnally Im waiting for the new rebol/view version 
that will speed the drawing engine and be able to use AGG based styles 
like Cyphre showed us to do. what about integrating to your product 
MD2IDE the net releasing support (for example to update quickly a 
blog based   on carl's REBOL script)

Great work stay tuned :)