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[Parse] Discussion of PARSE dialect

BrianH
26-May-2007
[1833x2]
You should seperate the regex compilation phase from its application 
phase, and just write a wrapper that calls both in order. The compilation 
phase is often more complex than just applying the results, so if 
you are using the regex repeatedly you should just compile it once.
i like regset, in theory. You seem to be applying block parse syntax 
to strings - it could be simpler.
Rebolek
26-May-2007
[1835]
I wanted to do some basic regex set, some common denominator, partly 
as an exrcesise in parse and partly to stop people looking at rebol 
saying "it has no regex". so now it has ;)
So I'm not sure what dialect of regex is the best one.

Block parse syntax to strings - you mean that char! ? Yes, it's probably 
not doing anything, the code needs some cleanup.
I plan to wrap it in context, yes.
BrianH
26-May-2007
[1836]
The char! 1 is useless. I am looking at that code now (reworking 
it).
Rebolek
26-May-2007
[1837]
Oldes, I though about just a translator from regex to parse rules 
and I'm not sure it will be easy, I'm using my 'tail-parse that matches 
rules in reversed order that is better for regex syntax. Maybe there's 
some other way.
BrianH
26-May-2007
[1838]
Reverse order is better? I think you aren't backtracking right in 
your generated rules.
Rebolek
26-May-2007
[1839]
this is the problem with [some "a" "a"]. This is equivalent of "a*a" 
in regex which is perfectly valid, but problematic in parse. This 
is simple example, but it can get quite complicated so I'm not sure 
I can handle all cases. The reversed order seemed simpler. But you 
will probably prove me wrong :)
BrianH
26-May-2007
[1840x2]
Are you supporting grouping? Haven't gotten to that point in the 
code yet.
Do regex dialects support decreasing character ranges in their sets?
Rebolek
26-May-2007
[1842]
grouping - just the bitsets created with regset, groups like [cat|dog] 
not yet supported
BrianH
26-May-2007
[1843x2]
Which regex dialect does grouping with [ and ], I thought they used 
( and ).
Are you supporting . wildcard characters?
Rebolek
26-May-2007
[1845x4]
oh yes you're right...just an old rebol habit, using square brackets 
everywhere :)
wildcards - well dot is any character except newline
Right now it should support regex according tohttp://www.regular-expressions.info/quickstart.html
more or less
BrianH
26-May-2007
[1849x14]
BTW, "a*a" is directly equivalent to [any "a" "a"], not some.
It still won't work directly.
Rebolek, I am rewriting the regset function. Do you want to support 
decreasing ranges or do you want the characters to be added individually 
lick they are with charset? I can do either.
; Version with support for decreasing ranges
regset: func [expression /local out negate? b e x] [
    negate?: false
    out: make bitset! []
    parse/all expression [
        opt ["~" (negate?: true)]
        some [
            "-" (insert out #"-") |
            b: skip "-" e: skip (
                b: first b  e: first e
                loop 1 + (
                    either b > e [b - x: e] [e - x: b]
                ) [
                    insert out x
                    x: 1 + x
                ]
            ) |
            x: skip (insert out first x)
        ]
    ]
    if negate? [out: complement out]
    out
]

; Version without support for decreasing ranges
regset: func [expression /local out negate? b e x] [
    negate?: false
    out: make bitset! []
    parse/all expression [
        opt ["~" (negate?: true)]
        some [
            "-" (insert out #"-") |
            b: skip "-" e: skip (
                b: first b  e: first e
                either b > e [
                    insert insert insert out b #"-" e
                ] [
                    loop 1 + e - b [
                        insert out b
                        b: 1 + b
                    ]
                ]
            ) |
            x: skip (insert out first x)
        ]
    ]
    if negate? [out: complement out]
    out
]
Most of the changes were made to make it faster and to use less memory 
overhead.

- It is faster for parse to match a one-character string than a character 
value.
- Insert is faster than union, and makes no temporaries.

- If you are capturing a single character, I think [a: skip (a: first 
a)] is faster than [copy a skip (a: first a)].

- Path access is slower than the equivalent native, so [first a] 
instead of [a/1].

- The fastest loop is loop, even with the math to calculate the number 
of times.
I may end up with the wrong data type to do the [x: 1 + x] rather 
than [x: x + 1], same with b in the second version.
Aside from the one-time bind, repeat may be faster than loop with 
a self-incremented index.
I haven't tried to support escaped characters or subrange checks 
yet. The subrange check may be faster to support by copy/part on 
the source, or faster yet by inlining the code into the greater regex 
engine. I'm not sure how the helper variables would be affected by 
the tasking support of R3, but they sure aren't reentrant on R2.
The standard backtracking of parse only happens upon alternation. 
To support the *, + and ? behavior of regexes, you either have to 
roll your own backtracking or have the compiler convert to using 
first and follow sets. In contrast to how your links describe the 
behavior of regex engines, it might be easier to make parse support 
lazy rather than greedy behavior of its iterators - they are greedy 
by default, but so much so that the first and follow sets shouldn't 
overlap.
It might be a good idea to run a peephole optimizer on the patterns 
before compiling them, to convert ones like "a*a" to "aa*".
It looks like repeat doesn't bind its argument, so it is definitely 
faster in this case.
; Version with support for decreasing ranges
regset: func [expression /local out negate? b e x] [
    negate?: false
    out: make bitset! []
    parse/all expression [
        opt ["~" (negate?: true)]
        some [
            "-" (insert out #"-") |
            b: skip "-" e: skip (
                b: first b  e: first e
                either b > e [
                    insert out e
                    repeat x b - e [insert out e + x]
                ] [
                    insert out b
                    repeat x e - b [insert out b + x]
                ]
            ) |
            x: skip (insert out first x)
        ]
    ]
    if negate? [out: complement out]
    out
]

; Version without support for decreasing ranges
regset: func [expression /local out negate? b e x] [
    negate?: false
    out: make bitset! []
    parse/all expression [
        opt ["~" (negate?: true)]
        some [
            "-" (insert out #"-") |
            b: skip "-" e: skip (
                b: first b  e: first e
                either b > e [
                    insert insert insert out b #"-" e
                ] [
                    insert out b
                    repeat x e - b [insert out b + x]
                ]
            ) |
            x: skip (insert out first x)
        ]
    ]
    if negate? [out: complement out]
    out
]
; Slightly faster
bitset-to-string: func [b [bitset!] /local s x] [
    s: copy either find b 0 ["^(00)"] [""]
    repeat x 255 [
        if find b x [append s to-char x]
    ]
    s
]
I'll look more at this tomorrow.
Rebolek
27-May-2007
[1863]
Hi Brian, thanks for support, I was out for a sleep :)
Anton
27-May-2007
[1864]
BrianH, what ? Repeat does bind its argument, doesn't it ?
>> repeat n 4 []
>> n
** Script Error: n has no value
** Near: n
BrianH
27-May-2007
[1865]
Yeah, so it does. I wonder why the docs don't say (will be local) 
like it does for foreach. It still ends up faster than loop when 
you have to keep track of an index or a counter.
Dockimbel
27-May-2007
[1866]
Brian, you've stated that  "It is faster for parse to match a one-character 
string than a character value." It seems to me that the opposite 
statement is true. (matching a char! is faster than matching a on-character 
string!)
BrianH
27-May-2007
[1867x2]
It seems to me that the opposite _should_ be true, but parse converts 
the character to a string before matching it - no conversion is performed 
for string values. It's just one of those weird things.
This is one of those things that I actually profiled to determine 
for sure. Strange, but true.
Ladislav
28-May-2007
[1869]
my measurements show:

>> time-block [parse "a" ["a"]] 0.05
== 3.83615493774414E-7
>> time-block [parse "a" [#"a"]] 0.05
== 3.61204147338867E-7

, i.e. the opposite
BrianH
28-May-2007
[1870]
Which version? Nevermind, my timing differences may just be a multitasking 
artifact.
Ladislav
28-May-2007
[1871]
>> rebol/version
== 1.3.2.3.1
BrianH
28-May-2007
[1872x2]
Strange. When I tested before the difference turned out to be about 
the same as the overhead of string conversion. Quite the cooincidence. 
I guess I should have repeated my timings more :(
Too small a sample for a busy computer.
Ladislav
28-May-2007
[1874x2]
use can use time-block to make sure (it's on my site)
you can use...
Rebolek
28-May-2007
[1876]
nice to see char is faster than string, so I'm not going to rewrite 
this ;) Anyway, new version with BrianH's version of regex and bitset-to-string 
and with endless loop in tail-parse fixed is posted on http://bolek.techno.cz/reb/regex.r
Anton
28-May-2007
[1877]
That's funny, I thought we had determined that string was faster 
than char.
BrianH
28-May-2007
[1878x2]
It's probably close enough to ignore either way.
Rebolek, I gather you made the parse go in reverse to handle rules 
like "a+a" better. How does your reverse code handle "aa+", or "aa+a" 
- same problem?
Dockimbel
28-May-2007
[1880]
Here's another benchmark:

>> data: head insert/dup make string! 10'000'000 #"a" 10'000'000

>> t0: now/time/precise loop 10 [parse data [some "a"]] now/time/precise 
- t0
== 0:00:06.078

>> t0: now/time/precise loop 10 [parse data [some #"a"]] now/time/precise 
- t0
== 0:00:04.296


Running this test several times shows that char! matching is, in 
average, 30 % faster than string! matching.
BrianH
28-May-2007
[1881x2]
Well there you go. That's different numbers than last time, but more 
dramatic. It's just a #, easy fix :)
Thanks for answering that question though.