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[Parse] Discussion of PARSE dialect

Normand
24-Jul-2009
[4040]
Does someone know of some scripts that parse documents written in 
LaTex.  I would need examples applying parse to the LaTex language.
Reichart
24-Jul-2009
[4041x2]
What about parsing another similar language?

http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=qml-base.r
This is ell written too http://www.codeconscious.com/rebol/parse-tutorial.html
Normand
26-Jul-2009
[4043]
Thanks for those references.
Sunanda
14-Sep-2009
[4044]
Parse question on StackOverflow -- not yet answered:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1415340/rebol-parsing-rule-how-to-correct-the-rule-to-separate-paragraphs
PeterWood
14-Sep-2009
[4045]
Three answers now.
Carl
28-Sep-2009
[4046x2]
Steeve - move parse discussion here.
So... does such a function take an argument, such as the current 
index for the series being parsed?
BrianH
28-Sep-2009
[4048]
That's how REPLACE works...
Carl
28-Sep-2009
[4049]
REPLACE?
Steeve
28-Sep-2009
[4050x2]
i would say, no functions with parameters allowed
but if you can perform a do/next then parameters are allowed
BrianH
28-Sep-2009
[4052x2]
Yeah. If you pass a function as the replacement value, that function 
will be called with the series at the replacement position as a parameter, 
and its return value is used. ARRAY does something similar too. My 
changes.
Say that the series position parameter is passed with APPLY rules. 
If the function takes a parameter it sees it; if not it doesn't.
Steeve
28-Sep-2009
[4054]
Or we can provide 2 index by default, maintained by the parse engine.
& = the head of last rule matched
&&= the tail of the last matched rule.
BrianH
28-Sep-2009
[4055x3]
Not a bad idea, but... this is how it starts. This is what led to 
the rule! type suggestion :(
See, your method would allow REPLACE/part to be called directly.
Sorry, REMOVE/part.
Steeve
28-Sep-2009
[4058x2]
or even INSERT, REMOVE, CHANGE, without the need to develop a specific 
inlinned method for those functions
wer just need 2 pointers auto-handled by parse
BrianH
28-Sep-2009
[4060x3]
Except your replacement code for those functions was wrong. And would 
be wrong in this case. Those inline operations were added to reduce 
common errors, not to provide missing functionality.
I am also concerned about the security implications of having PARSE 
call functions outside of parens. In parens you know what you're 
getting. This is why QUOTE and IF require parens for the REBOL code 
they execute.
All of the added operations could have been done before with code 
in parens and/or explicit position setting. It's easier this way.
RobertS
28-Sep-2009
[4063]
I put a note up because of my silly misunderstanding of the intent 
of adding AND to PARSE.  But I get odd results with the likes of 
   parse "abeabd" [and [thru "e"] [thru "d'"]]  which behaves like 
ANY
BrianH
28-Sep-2009
[4064x2]
Not a silly misunderstanding, a bug, bug#1238 in particular.
One of 4 parse bugs in a83.
RobertS
28-Sep-2009
[4066]
OF course in STSC APL  "laod" was as good as "load" and in Smalltalk 
I still long for "slef" and "sefl" but I draw the line at "elfs" 
which is clearly unfit in the age of "octopuses"
BrianH
28-Sep-2009
[4067]
And that doesn't even count the stuff not implemented yet.
RobertS
28-Sep-2009
[4068]
I thought ONE (but no move) on the model of SOME and ANY when I was 
misunderstanding AND as "all"  as [ ONE [rule1 rule2 rule3 ] ]
BrianH
28-Sep-2009
[4069]
ONE would be an interesting name for the OF proposal.
RobertS
28-Sep-2009
[4070]
Shorter than UNIQUE
BrianH
28-Sep-2009
[4071x3]
Sorry, that would be a different operation.
Shorter than FROM or GATHER though.
Wait, ONE wouldn't work, since you actually get all of the rules, 
just not in order.
Steeve
29-Sep-2009
[4074]
I posted examples to show why a84 is more rebolish. http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/r3blog.r?view=0255#comments
Pekr
29-Sep-2009
[4075x2]
looks good ...
Steeve - will better parse help with editor? IIRC it was you and 
Shadwolf, who did it?
Steeve
29-Sep-2009
[4077]
A little, but the main drawback i have with parsing in editor is 
that parse doesn't handle incremental parsing.

Because i do parsing line by line to be able to parse only modified 
lines.

So that, i have to rewrite all the rules (describing the document) 
in an obfuscated way to deal with incremental parsing.
Pekr
29-Sep-2009
[4078]
BrianH has some plans towards "streamed" parsing. Hopefully it can 
be done over ports in the future ...
Steeve
29-Sep-2009
[4079]
Actually, we can simulate streamed/incremental parsing. But we need 
to transform all the input rules (it can be automatized).
I would prefer an inlined behavior of parse for such purpose.

It's why i asked to Carl if we could return the rule stack during 
parsing (i.e. with a special command).
Pekr
29-Sep-2009
[4080]
What was the answer? I missed your request during yesterday's chat 
probably ...
Steeve
29-Sep-2009
[4081]
Request delayed for R3.1
Pekr
29-Sep-2009
[4082]
3.1 - that will be in Spring, so I think that we can wait ...
Steeve
29-Sep-2009
[4083x3]
it seems
parse is in mode parse/all by default now, but we can remove the 
option, a bug ?
*we can't
BrianH
29-Sep-2009
[4086x2]
/all still affects simple parse (splitting instead of rules).
With the PARSE changes, this puts us within the range of a parsing 
model with a reasonably solid theoretical foundation and a lot of 
experience with parser generators. We could compile PARSE rules into 
equivalent incremental rules.
Steeve
29-Sep-2009
[4088x2]
yep we could start by building a compiler of rules into  incremental 
ones (with rebol i mean)
i made some tests in the past