World: r3wp

what do you mean by effort?

As for me, I tried to contact Tom Halwerda one year ago, when RT 
announced they are developing R3. He refused to publish it. I then 
objected, that they are posting much less important newsbits from 
various other communities, but he said that mainstream systems as 
Win, OS-X have some priviledge ...

News events every other day and articles to go with them on OSNews 
don't get created by the fairies overnight

Unless I'm a fairy, that is...

I hope this time, once R3 beta is out, they will not hesitate to 
post about it. And I also think, that Syllable helped REBOL on osnews 
a bit. Because if OS designers decided to use such language, it ought 
to be rather good :-)

I suspect Thom's objection was mainly that you wanted him to publish 
it a year before there was any new product :-)

That's what I mean, we have been consistently producing real news

I don't agree though. IIRC interview with Guido about upcoming P3 
was there. P3 development has started just recently, and is due to 
be finished next summer .....

Don't worry, though, R3 will be mentioned on OSNews in Syllable articles 
:-)

Dunno, we were just contacted by the Python crew about Syllable support 
in P3. It's for real. You can never know that with a closed-source 
company - especially not one from the Amiga scene...

Can't say I blame Thom. He's been good with us

Kaj, can you give me a management summary about the differences Syllable 
Server / Desktop?

Yes: Server runs on Linux, while Desktop has its own kernel and filesystem

Server currently doesn't have the Syllable GUI yet, but it will come

Why not use the desktop kernel and FS for the server side too?

I mean, what's the benefit of getting a server based on the linux 
kernel? Than I can use Linux right from the start.

Because they were designed for desktop services. Linux is continuously 
optimized as a server

Also, Linux is stable now, not a few years from now

And it has software that also takes time to port to Desktop

Of course you can use Linux, but what is Linux? We are providing 
a Linux, and we think it will be a damn fine one

what I would like to see is a server linux that runs vmware out of 
the box

without having to keep recompiing the kernel

Ubuntu and others do

not without some work

I'm currently integrating QEmu

various how toos ...

qemu ?  run windows 20003 on that?

I saw a how to on that somewhere

Sure

to run 2003 on ec2 I think

Yeah, such combinations are interesting

We're on OSNews again (well, we haven't been off the front page for 
a few weeks), this time with our new Syllable Newsletter:

http://osnews.com/story.php/18508/Revived-Syllable-Newsletter-Published

There are mentions of REBOL and AROS in there

Our provider went belly up, and I'm now rewriting our site in REBOL:

http://syllable.org

The time has arrived! We have released Syllable Server

It's a development release. A lot of work remains to be done in the 
time to come, but I made sure it's usable for several things already

It doesn't have the Syllable graphical environment yet, but it can 
run graphical SDL and DirectFB programs

That includes emulators. QEmu is included, so you can run many other 
operating systems on Server, including itself

The system is very small, so it's suitable both as a virtualisation 
host and as a virtualisation guest

Both REBOL/Core and ORCA are included

When is the GUI due ?

I'm going to pull an R3 on you and say When It's Ready :-)

end of 2008 then?

The first phase, building the base Linux, was mine. Now it's up to 
our project leader to port the Syllable stuff. I think I'm going 
to push him like we push Carl. :-) Actually, I'm hoping he will feel 
the pressure from people like you asking for it :-)

yeah .. some of us are too old to remember command line arguments 
and tool usage

I'm actually forced to learn Linux now ;-)

I'm fairly sure I'm the first person in the world to build a Linux 
without caring much for it :-)

a html version of the readme would be nice :)