World: r3wp

But the link to our current main English live CD is a referal, because 
it was the first on our new storage. The others are less problematic

got it to boot but the display frequency wa out of range on one computer 
and it froze earlier in the sequence on the other

can't get the vm either???

What happens on downloading the VMware image?

Did you try the alternative boot options?

What video card do you have on the one where the frequency is out 
of range?

Please use the link to the VMware image from the How to Get Syllable 
page on the site. The link that happens to be on the live CD site 
seems to be broken

I released the second version of Syllable Server today:

http://osnews.com/story.php/19050/Syllable-Server-0.2-Released

We're already getting positive comments on including REBOL :-)

Kaj, mabe you can help me to get something straight.

I thought that Syllable uses it's own kernel AlthOS, right? What's 
the role of Linux (Linux kernel?) than? You mention Linux from time 
to time but why do you need it?

This year we made a big split. I created a Linux distro based on 
my build system for Syllable. We call it Syllable Server, and Syllable 
proper is now called Syllable Desktop

Syllable Server is the Linux I have been telling you about in the 
past

Server and Desktop are as similar as possible, enabled by my build 
system and the fact that Syllable Desktop was already POSIX compatible. 
But the lower layers of Server are Linux: the kernel and support 
software around it

We are porting the userspace of Desktop to Linux. My build system 
and package management are already there, including ORCA. We are 
working on porting Syllable's graphics system and desktop environment. 
It will not be based on X11

The Linux gives us stability right now, drivers and applications. 
One of those is REBOL/Core, which is included in Syllable Server

We are working on porting Syllable's graphics system and desktop 
environment. It will not be based on X11
 <--- I like it better already.

We're using DirectFB on Syllable Server and are going to put our 
own graphics system on top of that

The prototype is currently running on SDL

very nice. I like that someone finally has the guts to ditch X11.

Thanks :-)

DirectFB?

directfb.org

how are they doing on drivers and such?

Roughly the same as Syllable Desktop. In fact, some of Syllable's 
graphics drivers are ports from DirectFB instead of X11

So we won't have as much video support as X11, but we will have a 
relatively lightweight driver system to build our own stuff on

It should definitely suffice for a server

I wouldn't worry too much about driver support anyway. What I hate 
about X11 is the complexity and how easy it is to knock over. I encounter 
many people who move away from Ubuntu and back to Windows simply 
because X11 screws up its own configuration.

so DirectFB is reliable and simple to work with?

We hope so :-)

It's rather unknown, but used quite a bit in embedded systems

There were a few ancient Linux distros using it, but we will bring 
it to the desktop/server again

The operating system for the Palm Folio that was recently cancelled 
used it the same way we are going to

Word was it performed extraordinarily

a shame it was cancelled

Yes, a law of computing, it seems. Any interesting graphics system 
will be shot down

Kaj, ok got it.

Why not use the Desktop kernel for the server as well?

I mean, on the server I just need a text interface and no GUI frills. 
Just lean and mean machine.

We've been doing that for the past half decade, and we have not achieved 
a breakthrough yet

It takes longer to get stability and apps, especially for server 
requirements. And we are not going to design our kernel for server 
requirements, because it is optimised for desktop

Syllable Desktop doesn't have a text-only mode. It's really a desktop 
system, and Linux is really a server system

Other considerations include that systems such as Amazon EC2 run 
on Linux, not our own kernel

OK, we beat REBOL 3 to the release

I give you Syllable Desktop 0.6.5:

http://osnews.com/story.php/19126/Syllable-Desktop-0.6.5-Released

It has improvements all over. One of them is a new ORCA version

If you want to know more about it, I wrote a new introduction document:

http://web.syllable.org/pages/about.html